MessageGlad I could help Steve. No, I don't get anything from them. I hope you are as happy with them as everyone else is. =) Pam Well No renewal fee, Now Pam look what you just went and done. You just shoot Norton in the foot. I hope your getting a cut from PC-Cillin. As I will be switching to PC-Cillin next go around. I am tried of Norton, I hope they read this. Steve Clark Moreno Valley, California P.S. Amateurs built the Ark. Professionals built the Titanic. PC-Cillin doesn't charge a renewal fee and have been 100% (at the site I sent to the list) since atleast 1999.