[oxfordgamers] Re: Another comic movie question

RE: [oxfordgamers] Re: Another comic movie questionI never said anything
about tht.   I said if your goals were to make a blockbuster....etc.,etc.

Os


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[mailto:oxfordgamers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bolenbaugh, Tom
  Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:00 AM
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  Every successful movie doesn't need to be a blockbuster.  Mask of the
Phantasm certainly wasn't an attempt to put out a blockbuster movie.  It's a
question of your target goals when putting the movie together.  Batman and
Robin was an attempt at a blockbuster movie.  The Professional was an
attempt at making a successful movie.  I'll bet that Batman and Robin
grossed more at the box office (and I do mean gross) despite everyone
knowing it was a lousy movie.  Such is the power of marketing.

  It's all a question of what you are shooting for.



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    From:   Brandon Keller
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    Sent:   Thursday, July 3, 2003 1:19 AM
    To:     oxfordgamers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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    While these movies are generally well-liked by critics and others, they
were not entirely popular.  They certainly were not blockbusters.  And, in
order to acheive that ranking, you must assume societal idiocy.



    Os



    It's fun to use learning for evil.

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[mailto:oxfordgamers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Chambers
      Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:15 AM
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      I will cop to treading water a bit here, as I am not really a comic
buff. But I will fall back to other films in similar genres.


      One of my favorites, of course, is The Professional (or Leon,
depending on what release you own). This is a pretty cool story in the fact
that you know all about the history of the victim, but nothing about the
hero (or anti-hero in this case). Compare this to La Femme Nakita where the
whole point of the story is the main character's origins and how she is
living it down. Both great movies. Both about assasins. One deals
extensively with the hero's back-story, and one does not.


      And then there's Pulp Fiction and Momento. Two really great films that
turn the whole concept of linear back-story on its ear. And both of these
films did fairly well in terms of commerse. That might poke a tiny hole in
the "audiences are dumb and want character origin" theory.


      Brotherhood of the Wolf has one of the best opening sequences I can
recall. And what makes it great instead of good is the fact that two
horsemen (who we later learn are the heroes) just ride out of the mist and
commence to ass-kicking. There is tremendous drama derived from the fact
that we really don't know who is who yet.


      So, yeah, I think it can be done. What I lack is the knowlege of what
comic book heroes are out there that are doable.

      Kvikk.

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Bolenbaugh, Tom
        To: newgamers (E-mail)
        Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:34 PM
        Subject: [oxfordgamers] Another comic movie question




        So far all the comicbook movies have dealt with the origins of the
hero or heroes they are covering.  Would it be possible to do a hero movie
that isn't a sequel that assumes the audience already has some level of
knowledge about the heroic origins?  Could they do a Fantastic Four movie
that doesn't include the rocketship story or some other newfangled updated
origin?  Or touch on it very lightly?

        Or would doing this loose too much of the audience's feeling for the
characters?  Could you have done the Superman movie without showing Krypton?
Batman without showing his parent's death?  Are there any heroes left to do
who are well enough known by the public to pull this off?

        What sayeth the peanut gallery?



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