RE: [oxfordgamers] Re: Another comic movie questionI never said anything about tht. I said if your goals were to make a blockbuster....etc.,etc. Os It's fun to use learning for evil. -----Original Message----- From: oxfordgamers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oxfordgamers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Bolenbaugh, Tom Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:00 AM To: 'oxfordgamers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [oxfordgamers] Re: Another comic movie question Every successful movie doesn't need to be a blockbuster. Mask of the Phantasm certainly wasn't an attempt to put out a blockbuster movie. It's a question of your target goals when putting the movie together. Batman and Robin was an attempt at a blockbuster movie. The Professional was an attempt at making a successful movie. I'll bet that Batman and Robin grossed more at the box office (and I do mean gross) despite everyone knowing it was a lousy movie. Such is the power of marketing. It's all a question of what you are shooting for. ---------- From: Brandon Keller Reply To: oxfordgamers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2003 1:19 AM To: oxfordgamers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [oxfordgamers] Re: Another comic movie question While these movies are generally well-liked by critics and others, they were not entirely popular. They certainly were not blockbusters. And, in order to acheive that ranking, you must assume societal idiocy. Os It's fun to use learning for evil. -----Original Message----- From: oxfordgamers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oxfordgamers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Mike Chambers Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:15 AM To: oxfordgamers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [oxfordgamers] Re: Another comic movie question I will cop to treading water a bit here, as I am not really a comic buff. But I will fall back to other films in similar genres. One of my favorites, of course, is The Professional (or Leon, depending on what release you own). This is a pretty cool story in the fact that you know all about the history of the victim, but nothing about the hero (or anti-hero in this case). Compare this to La Femme Nakita where the whole point of the story is the main character's origins and how she is living it down. Both great movies. Both about assasins. One deals extensively with the hero's back-story, and one does not. And then there's Pulp Fiction and Momento. Two really great films that turn the whole concept of linear back-story on its ear. And both of these films did fairly well in terms of commerse. That might poke a tiny hole in the "audiences are dumb and want character origin" theory. Brotherhood of the Wolf has one of the best opening sequences I can recall. And what makes it great instead of good is the fact that two horsemen (who we later learn are the heroes) just ride out of the mist and commence to ass-kicking. There is tremendous drama derived from the fact that we really don't know who is who yet. So, yeah, I think it can be done. What I lack is the knowlege of what comic book heroes are out there that are doable. Kvikk. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bolenbaugh, Tom To: newgamers (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:34 PM Subject: [oxfordgamers] Another comic movie question So far all the comicbook movies have dealt with the origins of the hero or heroes they are covering. Would it be possible to do a hero movie that isn't a sequel that assumes the audience already has some level of knowledge about the heroic origins? Could they do a Fantastic Four movie that doesn't include the rocketship story or some other newfangled updated origin? Or touch on it very lightly? Or would doing this loose too much of the audience's feeling for the characters? Could you have done the Superman movie without showing Krypton? Batman without showing his parent's death? Are there any heroes left to do who are well enough known by the public to pull this off? What sayeth the peanut gallery? _____ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!