I don't know one way or another about XP. I just remembered, by the way, that I was using an external synthesizer under Windows 9X, the Soundin Board. I bet safe mode operation would be more difficult with a software synthesizer. Jamal -----Original Message----- From: ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tink Watson Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:00 AM To: ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information Jamal, Do I understand then that this cannot be accomplished in Win XP? Or am I missing something? If this can be accomplished, I'd be interested to know how. Although an offlist mail might be a good plan. Tink. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <Jamal.Mazrui@xxxxxxx> To: <ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information Let me clarify that the point I intended was not about hot key activation, but running in safe mode. I also set up a hot key for JAWS. I especially needed a hot key in safe mode because the auto-loading screen reader feature did not work and I could not navigate to launch the program without speech. I should also be clear that Window-Eyes did more limited screen reading than in regular mode, though it was useful in restoring after a system crash sometimes. Jamal -----Original Message----- From: ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tony Guy Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:10 AM To: ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information Yes JAWS could be activated with a shortcut key or hot key in win9x. The different between win-eyes and JAWS, is that win-eyes has the key built in. JAWS does not so you had to make it yourself. -----Original Message----- From: ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tink Watson Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:58 AM To: ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information Jamal, That's really interesting. I wonder if WE still supports that? Any WE users on the list? Tink. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <Jamal.Mazrui@xxxxxxx> To: <ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information I have not tried with Windows 2000 or XP, but I recall that Window-Eyes could be activated with a desktop shortcut hot key in safe mode under Windows 9X, whereas JAWS could not. Jamal -----Original Message----- From: ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ossrp-control-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tink Watson Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:35 AM To: ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information Naama, This isn't really my field, but I suspect it would be difficult to achieve this. Safe mode works by prohibiting drivers from loading, whether sound drivers, technology or application specific drivers. Without these I imagine it would be tricky, even impossible to get a screen reader loaded and running. It certainly would be nice though, the inability to access the bios, safe mode and other precursor environments is one of the biggest irritations of using a screen reader. Tink. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Naama Erez" <diva2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information > Just wondering, and that can be because my knowledge about this is > limited, is there any type of screen reader, or any possibility for a > screen reader to operate in safe mode? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Will Pearson" <will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:18 PM > Subject: [ossrp-control] Re: screen reading information > > >> Hi Juan, >> >> As far as I know, Beth Mynat's and Keith Edward's paper is the only one >> on >> how screen readers work. There's been various ones written on screen >> reader >> design, such as a comparison paper written by Beth Mynat et al in 1994, >> which you can download from the publications section of the Everyday >> Computing Lab's website, which is part of the main GA Tech site. There's >> also been work done by Alistair Edwards at the University of York, in the >> UK, Steve Brewster from the University of Glasgow, in the UK, various >> people >> at the University of Toronto, in Canada, but these have mainly focused on >> design rather than implementation. I did hear that Prof. Gary Bishop at >> the >> University of North Carolina was developing a new type of screen reader, >> based more around communication with the user, and any information on >> this >> will likely be on the UNC web site at: >> http://cs.unc.edu/research/assist >> >> Will >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Juan Hernandez" <juanh@xxxxxxx> >> To: <ossrp-control@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 10:17 AM >> Subject: [ossrp-control] screen reading information >> >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> First I am glad to say that a project of this kind has finally started. >> I've discussed this type of project with other people, and have written >> papers and such for my course work at the univercity, on the research >> and >> development of a free or extremely low cost screen reading solution. >>> >>> I have quite a bit of coding background, but none in the screen reading >> area. >>> >>> I have downloaded the paper written by: Mynatt, E.D., and Edwards, W.K. >> (1992). " Mapping guis to auditory Interfaces, but I would like to know >> if >> anyone has any other information on screen reading development, consepts, >> theory, etc? >>> >>> Again, I am glad OSAT has started, and I hope to help as much as I can >>> in >> the future. 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