RE: title
- From: Michael Dinh <mdinh@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'Brian.Zelli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <Brian.Zelli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 'Guillermo Alan Bort' <cicciuxdba@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 15:25:50 -0700
If feel that you are not compensated fairly, then why not look elsewhere?
May I suggest your title to be Senior Database Architect, which should be
better than Administrator, no?
But from an administrator's view, the bad architects just create problems for
the administrators to fix.
Michael Dinh
Disparity Breaks Automation (DBA)
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Zelli, Brian
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 12:10 PM
To: 'Guillermo Alan Bort'
Cc: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: RE: title
See, the problem is that because we are a public benefits corporation, one of
the only ways you can get ahead financially is with a title change.
To answer some of the questions:
I do have 27 years of IT exp and 17 years of DBA exp so I'm only a new guy to
this org. I have more years total than some of them.
I know the platforms better than them. They come to me with issues. And none
are in a managerial role.
No ego. Just looking to be compensated fairly.
ciao,
Brian
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From: alanbort@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:alanbort@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Guillermo
Alan Bort
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2011 2:58 PM
To: Zelli, Brian
Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: title
Super Senior DBA?
Subject Matter Expert?
Database Master?
Lord of The Databases?
King of the Universe?
Batman?
now, seriously... the only reason I'd take a "title" is because they are giving
me more money... if that's what you're after, then there's no need to formalize
it with a title (which would piss off the rest of your team, specially if you
are "the new guy")
I think of myself as a Sr. DBA and I don't have significant experience nor
responsibility on the MS SQL Server, MySQL, Postgre and Informix databases,
just the Oracle ones... On the other hand I feel confident that I can solve any
issue that arises in any of the databases of which I am responsible (or at
least how to open a SR with oracle and get it fixed), so why wouldn't I be
thought of as a Senior DBA?
Furthermore, seniority doesn't necessarily have anything to do with
responsibilty and "being in charge of a database" or even having access to
them. I think of my manager as a Sr. DBA and he doesn't do any day-to-day
tasks, and during an outage he's not activeley solving the issue but managing
the rest of the people and channeling communication from the rest of the world
to the dba (or dbas) activeley working on the problem. He does have extensive
knowledge of Oracle database and we can hold conversations with a very deep
technical understanding on both sides. He does have access to most databases
but he might as well not have it and he'd still be a Sr. DBA in my eyes and
he'd still be able to perform his role.
If it's an ego boost you are looking for, I'd suggest playing World of
Warcraft... you'll get a ton of titles and get a general sense of
accomplishment from it... plus, a shiny flying lion.
If it's not an ego boost, then we come back to pissing off the rest of your
team, is it really worth it?
Now... do you actually know more about each individual RDBMS than each other
DBA in his own field of expertise? If you don't, then why should your title be
any higher than theirs? You could call yourself a Sr. MultiDBA... this title
should go into the list!
Oh, and it's not what your title says, but what you do that defines your
"ranking" (sorry Batman).
Finally, I'd like to add that this is not meant to offend you (in spite of the
frequent use of sarcasm) but merely to provide a laugh to some, and the
beginning of an idea... hopefully.
Sincerely
Alan, Batman DBA.
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Zelli, Brian
<Brian.Zelli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:Brian.Zelli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I may be explaining this wrong so bear with me. We throw around the title of
Senior DBA just because somebody says they want it and mgt doesn't really know
what the title should imply. We have a few who just don't know the job or
perform the same functions. I want to go to my management and do the same
seeing as I have 24/7 support for every platform and every database we have
around here. I am the only Sr. DBA that has significant exp in SQL server,
Oracle, Sybase and MySQL. The others have exp in only 1 and have been lightly
trained in the other but no working knowledge or responsibility. They only
have the title because they have been here longer and mgt thought that since I
was coming in as a Sr, they "needed" to be a Sr as well. We have one Sr. who
doesn't have any system or dba rights on any db. So if I were to ask for a
better title since we like throwing them around, what can a Sr. DBA get beyond
the current title? And not management because I really don't wa
nt to be a babysitter. Title suggestions????
ciao,
Brian
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