Hmm...a normal shutdown? How long is that going to take? (Has anyone ever really used normal shutdown for anything useful?? ;-)) On any moderately busy database, you could be waiting indefinitely for a normal shutdown. (All it takes is one user to go home and not log out.) you may be better off with a "shutdown transactional". But, why bother? Just follow the standard best practices, and don't worry so much about your backups. Always backup all datafiles, but never tempfiles or on-line redo, and use the 'alter database backup controlfile ...' command to make a backup copy of your controlfile. -Mark -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Juan Carlos Reyes Pacheco Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 3:42 PM To: Riyaj Shamsudeen Cc: oracle list Subject: Re: not including temp neither undo tablespace in full backup Thanks a lot Riyaj, I had tested the situation you saidme in the past, but any way letme test again. Maybe I'll have to ask a normal shutdown. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l