RE: dba mgt woes

  • From: "Khemmanivanh, Somckit" <somckit.khemmanivanh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <matthewp@xxxxxxxxxx>, <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:26:39 -0700

I think it all depends on their personality type.

As a manager you'll have to adjust yourself somewhat to each person's
unique personality.

Some people might welcome direction, others may relish the idea of being
free to design the whole solution themselves.

There is NO 1 correct way to mentor/guide people, I think we all know
that.

It will be up to you to "read" your employees to see which management
style fits their personality.

As a new manager you've taken leadership, motivation, human relations
training?  

My 2 cents...

Thanks! 
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Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 4:39 AM
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Subject: RE: dba mgt woes

Thanks Matthew.

Actually this person has been through the complete round of Oracle
training.  However, I think you are right - I should have said here is
the problem - put together your recommendation and how you wish to
implemenet the solution.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Parker, Matthew [mailto:matthewp@xxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:09 AM
To: Stankus, Paula G; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: dba mgt woes

So you might start by not recommending a certain route and let the
Junior dba spread their wings a bit in participating in making the
decision, instead of you making it for them. It would probably short
circuit the next item ( he immediately writes the recommendation to
users), since he probably will not want to stick his neck out in front
of end users until he has a working solution. Also if they are not
experienced in these areas you might have to change your training
tactics. Although you can be commended for taking the initiative when
you started out, people are different and learning tactics that worked
for you, do not always work for others. Sometimes it is helpful to send
people to training, along with periods of work in the area after each
training session to reinforce what they were taught.
I have found it useful in cases to take a complex script that you
already have and break it down into it's component parts and hand those
equivalent tasks to the Junior DBA:

Connect to database.
Execute query.
Put results from database into a file or into a variable and then
perform basic manipulations on that data set.
Loops
Executions of OS commands.

You might give them training pages on the web to point to, then once
they have performed some basics tasks, you can point them to already
built script and have them break it down into what is being performed
and why.

If you want to teach others, then you as the teacher must make the extra
effort to bridge the gap for the student. There is also a point that you
may determine the person is not suited for this career, but that is a
long way off, after much frustration and self reflection as to why your
teaching methods are not working.

-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:33 PM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: dba mgt woes

So,

I have recently become a dba manager and I have a small issue.

I have a junior dba new to scripting, sql, plsql, oracle.  This scenario
has happened a few times:

-I request him to research something and recommend a certain route -he
immediately writes the recommendation to users -he then writes me asking
me how to do it, script it....
-I assist him in finding where to go or if I have a script I give it to
him -he has trouble implementing the solution -he comes back to me with
"your process does not work"
-I discover it is how he has implemented it and correct it

It is a frustrating experience and I wonder how to get him to take on
the task and see it through to the end.

Any ideas?

When I was a junior dba I would implement something and ususally go a
step farther - I would not go back to my boss instead chosing to "figure
it out myself".

Now I know why management is called damanagement.  It is the same issue
as to why children are convinced their parents are crazy.  Who do you
think pushed them over the edge?

Trying to be supportive, teach how to fish but didn't figure on this
interesting personality.

Sigh.
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