So, in order for the oracle processes to apply the correct permissions mask, the DB instance should be shut down, all file permissions changed, and finally, restart the DB. ----------------- Ron Reidy Lead DBA Array BioPharma, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Khemmanivanh, Somckit [mailto:somckit.khemmanivanh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:56 AM To: Reidy, Ron; all_about_oracle@xxxxxxxxxx; raja4list@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: datafile permissions Right, absolutely nothing happens once the process has an open file descriptor!! Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Reidy, Ron [mailto:Ron.Reidy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:47 AM To: all_about_oracle@xxxxxxxxxx; Khemmanivanh, Somckit; raja4list@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: datafile permissions So, to test it out, change the C program to perform more writes. Run it in the debugger and during the writes, chmod 000. What happens? -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Sinardy Sent: Tue 7/5/2005 11:45 PM To: Khemmanivanh, Somckit; raja4list@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: Re: datafile permissions Your test is good, just if you "accidentally" chmod 000 *.dbf during online and batch job is still running what will happen to the db? This is what I believe his manager try to prevent. Anyway technically you are right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Khemmanivanh, Somckit To: all_about_oracle@xxxxxxxxxx ; raja4list@xxxxxxxxx ; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: RE: datafile permissions Not to harp on this too much but I'm really failing to see how this is such a risky task? He's going from mode 600 to 640. You can run this test yourself to see that there shouldn't be any issues with doing this. 1) create a test file rm skf touch skf chmod 600 skf ll skf -rw------- 0 Jul 5 22:16 skf 2) As a control run the supplied C program I whipped up to test. All it does is open the file and write a bunch text to it It will create a file exactly 99999999 bytes in size ll skf -rw------- 99999999 Jul 5 22:17 skf Below is the code (compile and run it) #include <stdio.h> int main () { FILE * myf; int counter = 0; myf = fopen ("skf","wt"); if (myf != NULL) { while ( counter < 99999999) { fputs ("t", myf); counter++; } } } 3) Delete the skf file and recreate it with mode 600 for the run with the chmod in it. --Run the program in 1 session and in another session run the following commands. ll skf; chmod 640 skf; ll skf -rw------- 6062080 Jul 5 22:18 skf ^^^--Note the mode is 600 from the first ll skf commnd -rw-r----- 6193152 Jul 5 22:18 skf ^^^--Note the mode has changed to 640 with the chmod comand (this while the other program is still writing to the file) 4) Now recheck the file after it's all complete. ll skf -rw-r----- 99999999 Jul 5 22:19 skf Does anyone see any flaws with this test??? Thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sinardy Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:31 PM To: raja4list@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: datafile permissions If someone is writing to the file then you revoke the access using OS command which is it can be done with Unix I believe your manager forsee this will corrupt the datafile. Anyway, if I am asked to perform such harderning change, I will request for down time. For may be 1 hour, stop applications, shutdown, chmod, startup, switch log file, test, star application. not only datafile offline. PS: I know that 640 should be ok but chmod during online is quite a risky task. Regards, Sinardy ----- Original Message ----- From: raja rao To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 5:19 AM Subject: datafile permissions Hi All, Sun OS 2.9 oracle 9i In what state the datafiles should be when i want to change the OS file permissions from 600 to 640 chmod 640 *.dbf I put the tablespace offline. is that enough?, or should i make the datafiles offline withi alter database datafile 'filename' offline; I had a fight with my manager. He asked me to put the datafiles offline using alter database. But Just i put the tablespace offline and did that. Just want to make sure what is the right way (precautiion to be taken) for this task ? Thanks in advance, Raj __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com This electronic message transmission is a PRIVATE communication which contains information which may be confidential or privileged. 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