RE: any data modeling forums?

Richard,
 
I agree with everything you just said. Database design is indeed an art
form, and it is hard work that takes digging and probing and questioning and
bugging people who don't want to define what they think they want. But when
you finally get it right, you know it in your gut. It feels right. It's very
satisfying.
 
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Stevenson [mailto:rstevenson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:24 PM
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: any data modeling forums?


Hey - I'm with April - I may be getting older and hallucinating, but I still
like to think the reason I get paid above the minimum wage is for the
quality of my DB design.... :)
 
A good database design is worth its weight in gold - unfortunately there
seem to be very few of those these days - I've seen what comes out of too
many commercial products that claim to support every database going with the
same DDL.  Design is an art form - one for me that elicits the same kind of
passion with which a great DBA proudly polishes his/her database.  I've lost
count of how many times I've seen shops hire more consultants come in to
clean up the mess left behind by the original consultants - but then I guess
you get what you pay for.
 
Richard.
Your brain is like a database - you simply have to know how to access it
(anon.).

----- Original Message ----- 
From: April Wells <mailto:AWells@xxxxxxxxxx>  
To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' <mailto:'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'>  
Sent: March 31, 2004 08:26
Subject: RE: any data modeling forums?


NOOOOOOOoooooooooooo 

There are weird people out here who still TRY to design databases.  We often
get told to sit down and shut up in meetings... but we are out here.

April Wells 
Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA 
Corporate Systems 
Amarillo Texas 
 @>-->-->-- 
"Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite" 
Adam Wells age 11 
"Imagination is the highest kite one can fly." 
Lauren Bacall 


-----Original Message----- 
From: Niall Litchfield [ mailto:n-litchfield@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:n-litchfield@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:20 AM 
To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: RE: any data modelling forums? 


Does anyone *design* databases these days, aren't they just patterns and
models and objects or generated on the fly by application code?

Niall Litchfield 
Oracle DBA 
Audit Commission 
+44 117 975 7805 



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