Re: Why is Oracle unaffordable?

give him  11.2.0.2 RAC to run then :)

On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Goulet, Richard
<Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>  Kellyn,
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>     Hear Hear.  But as my boss says, anyone can run setup.
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>     No, don't drink the Microsoft Kool-Aid.
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> Dick Goulet
> Senior Oracle DBA
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Kellyn Pedersen
> *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 2:56 PM
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> *To:* passionate_programmer@xxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: Why is Oracle unaffordable?
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>    I'm going to throw a little twist into this discussion.  As much as
> people complain about the need for a GUI and the "why or why Oracle must be
> made so complicated", I'm a multi-platform DBA that consistently goes into
> shops as an Oracle DBA who ends up doing major overhauls on SQL Servers and
> MySQL db's because they are so easily designed to be installed and
> configured by anyone.  This results in the databases being installed and
> configured WRONG and in turn, performing poorly.  When someone comes to me
> with the blanket statement, "SQL Server and MySQL just can't stand up to
> 24X7 database requirements" I laugh.  It's not the database platform that
> failed the requirements, it's the person that installed it and the database
> design.
>
> This will most likely get everyone in a more heated battle than anything
> else when I say this-  I have created SQL Server environments with web
> properties that can out perform Oracle for the same purpose and
> function.  Before I was brought in to tune them, they ran like dogs though.
> They weren't properly designed, properly configured, tuned or installed.
> This takes time and expertise and Microsoft has made it way to easy for just
> anyone to create a SQL Server db.
>
> In my current shop we have a MySQL db farm that was designed by one of my
> fellow DBA's that recently replaced a massive Oracle environment due to cost
> constraints.  This time it was the Oracle database that was installed and
> configured by a novice.  It was a nightmare and the MySQL db's are kicked
> butt and taking names right now vs. what Oracle was able to do for the
> requirements of this application...
>
> I truly believe this is because it was built by someone who is a DBA, who
> knows his/her craft.  Databases shouldn't be easy to install and configure
> for anyone.  They should require expertise and this leads us to the answer
> to your question about Oracle being unaffordable:
>
> Because in the end, you get what you paid for... :)
>
>
> Kellyn Pedersen
>
> Sr. Database Administrator
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> http://www.linkedin.com/in/kellynpedersen
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> www.dbakevlar.com <http://www.dbakevlar.blogspot.com/>
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> *From:* RP Khare <passionate_programmer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Mon, November 8, 2010 2:31:07 AM
> *Subject:* Why is Oracle unaffordable?
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't want to initiate a religious war. I have been using MySQL since
> last two years in production environment. I used SQL Server Express and
> Oracle Express before. I have no complaints with either of the databases,
> except that Oracle is over expensive and the architecture is unnecessarily
> complicated. I want to know whether the complexity of the Oracle
> architecture and its ever demanding need for a dedicated DBA is worth paying
> or not.  If you are an Oracle disciple, I don't want to hurt you and my
> views here are totally unbiased.
>
> I need an embedded database for a shrink-wrapped application. I looked
> around for the alternatives. I read about SQL Server CE, SQL Anywhere and
> BerkleyDB. I want to try BerkleyDB, but the prices are too high. You could
> afford and enterprise class IBM DB2 or Sybase Adaptive Server or SQL Server
> with a far lesser amount.
>
>
> Oracle is a good product but it is beyond the reach of customers other than
> big giants who pump in too much money just to keep those DBAs happy, who sit
> around that black dump command line screen. Why it can't be GUI and simple
> and affordable?
>
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> ...............
> Rohit.
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Niall Litchfield
Oracle DBA
http://www.orawin.info

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