By the way, this is a valid and true point and my rant is not in reaction to it...although I would add that you might find yourself realizing "they" don't know much of anything other than a little something about 401Ks and mutual funds that might be of benefit to a retarded widow. A guy at Wells Fargo knew if that from 11am to 5pm officially counted for a full days work according to the HR handbook and I enjoyed doing all or most of his work for 10 months. And when they notice you are an expert "they," on average, will strive to have you politically assassinated...especially during a recession, gangsters. Look on the bright side, however, those deep-seeded morals and business ethics are just over that next artificial economic boom. To quote the famous philosopher, Nike, "Just do it." By the way, do you think I am pretty? Sometimes, I don't feel pretty. -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Aragon, Gabriel (GE Commercial Finance) Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:55 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: When one can call oneself expert Gosh, I hope its not too late to write my comments, Juan, basically, sometimes you study and prepare many years so you can = write (somewhere next to your name) that you are an expert, but you = know.. when you become an expert you'll realize that is unnecessary = writing it for the others to notice.. they already knew it..=20 Someone said this: "The true test of character is not how much we know how to do, but how = we behave when we don't know what to do". =3D) -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Thomas Day Sent: Jueves, 23 de Diciembre de 2004 06:19 p.m. To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: When one can call oneself expert I find that my best answer is, "I don't know, yet, but I will." I don't have the answer at my fingertips but I do know where in the documentation to look for them (and which mail list to ask if the documentation doesn't have the answer). I would guess that being seen as an Oracle expert consists of having made all the big mistakes somewhere else and not repeating them on this job. BTW - I just found out that if you have a Java app querrying your database and you have lazy Java programmers then you'd better use US7ASCII as your character set. -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l