RE: Solid State Disks for Databases

Texas Memory Systems had a presence at OOW and I had a chance to talk to
them and take a look at some of their offerings.  They had a 32GB solid
state device (expandable to 128GB at a price that you probably can imagine)
that was handling 70,000 IOPS (8k blocks) which is pretty impressive, no
question.  I think it's available with the standard fiber channel interfaces
and you can cluster them, LUNs, etc.  I think I might be able to get a
Ferrari F430 for the price of one.

I think these things are being positioned as cache gateways between disk and
blades, for shops with 1U blade investments that can't be loaded up with
16GB of RAM.  Even the solid state vendors will admit that real-time,
on-the-fly caching is going to use expensive RAM more efficiently than a RAM
disk; this always has been the case.  The problem with their proposed niche
is that if I'm using a 1U blade that can't be filled with 16GB or 32GB of
memory, then I am doing so primarily for one of three reasons,
1. I can't afford bigger iron --> then how can I afford solid state disk?
2. I'm short on rack space in the data center --> these solid state boxes
are rather big!
3. I need highly parallelized, compute-dense blade clusters --> then 32GB
solid state disk systems start to look really small if it's servicing a
dozen blades, each of which can be outfitted with, say, 4GB of cache.

Smaller solid state, only 2GB?  I'm hard-pressed to come up with a reason
why it would be better than tossing a few gigs of RAM into the box or SAN
and taking advantage of all the great tools we already have at our disposal
to optimize the usage of that RAM.

Moreover, mirroring 15,000rpm disk already can be painful when you consider
the cost.  Having to mirror solid state disk would 10x more painful.

-----Original Message-----
From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:DGoulet@xxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 9:48 AM
To: hkchital@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Oracle-L
Subject: RE: Solid State Disks for Databases

Hemant,

        Yes they appear to be much faster than normal disks, but they are
also substantially, like a factor of 3 or 4 times, more expensive as well.
We use EMC Symetrix systems and right now we can get 72GB mirrored for about
$5,000.  Soliddata's E75 is roughly the same price and only has 2GB of
space.

-----Original Message-----
From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hemant K Chitale
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 6:20 PM
To: Oracle-L
Subject: Solid State Disks for Databases


Has anyone used or tested Solid State Disks for Databases ?

http://www.soliddata.com/cgi-bin/whitepaper.asp?wp=13

The paper seems to indicate that Solid State Disks are now well on the way
to acceptance.
I have been asked to consider if we should look at this technology for High
I/O databases {first identify databases with very high I/O rates}.



Hemant K Chitale
http://web.singnet.com.sg/~hkchital


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