We are just starting to look at and use the SQL Developer Data Modeler. We like so far. We are going thru the online webinars and trying to learn as much as we can about this tool. Is anyone else using it? Happy with it? Run away from it? I also found a user group named - ODTUG. Oracle Development Tools User Group. They have a conference coming up in the Fall with a few session on how to use the data modeler. Anyone have exp with this group? Worth attending? I have also been looking for in-person training for this tool. Anyone know of an in-person training program? LeRoy --------------- LeRoy Kemnitz UW System Administration Database Administrator 780 Regent Street, #246 Madison, WI 53714 Phone: (608) 265 -5775 Fax: (608) 265 - 2090