There's only one way to find out for sure. Ask a sales rep to price it for you. Everything else is just guesswork. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Bradd Piontek <piontekdd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > In lieu of my finding a licensing expert, I am a bit troubled by this > discussion. Maybe perplexed is a better term. I have read through the Global > Price List, read the terms, read the Software Investment Guide, and I'm > still confused on Standard Edition. > > Oracle gives good Enterprise, multi-core examples, but not very good one's > for Standard (on purpose? :) ). So here's a real-world example. > > Let's say I'm going to buy a Sun T5220 (T2 chipset, 4 or 8 core). I have no > need for any of the enterprise options and would like to run standard > edition on this server. Is that even possible? I"m not sure how the T2 > chipset is laid out. My first thought was to say 'yes', it has one socket > and therefore is eligible. If I take the sticter view of the multi-chip > module, I may tend to think that a 4-core T2 could run Standard (4 sockets) > but the 8-core could not. Anyone have any insight to this specific example? > -- > Bradd Piontek > http://www.twitter.com/piontekdd > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 11:55 PM, Mark Brinsmead < > pythianbrinsmead@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Jason, >> >> Sorry. I did not read closely enough the first time. I think I see >> now what is confusing you... >> >> *> A multi-core processor is still just one chip,* >> >> No. This is not correct. An Intel Quad-Core processor has (for now) * >> two* processor chips, each with one core. AMD quad-core processors have >> all processing units on one chip. For now. Three years from now, who knows >> what they might be marketing? >> >> Multi-core processors may, in fact, be implemented with any number of >> processor chips. I recall an announcement from Sun Microsystems a while >> back that could actually allow a *single* processor core to be >> implemented with *multiple* chips, although I doubt anybody would ever >> choose to do that. >> >> *> so my understanding of the "multi-chip module" wording would be >> something like a daughtercard with multiple processors on it.* >> >> That is *one* form that a MCM can take, but there are many others. >> Often, MCMs will appear as a small square or rectangle of fibre-glass >> circuit card, with a metal cap on top. Beneath the metal cap, there are >> multiple chips. As packaging technology has improved, MCMs can now appear >> as multiple chips embedded in ceramic or -- I expect -- even the "black goo" >> that has commonly been used to package single chips. >> >> The early MCMs from Intel (e.g., Pentium-II processors) looked very much >> like you describe -- a "card" mounted vertically in a "slot". But they now >> commonly appear as the standard pin-grid-array packages that most of of >> think of when we picture a "CPU" or a "chip". I suspect that you will find >> -- if you dig deeply enough -- that *most* modern CPUs are actually >> delivered as multi-chip-modules. I could be mistaken about that, though. >> >> By the way... What is a "chip"? Most people picture a black oblong with >> little metal legs on the side or a big grid of pins on the bottom when the >> envision a "chip". This is not correct. A chip is a (usually) oblong piece >> of (usually) silicon crystal, with integrated circuits etched on its >> surface. One or more of these "chips" go into one of those black oblong >> things (called "packages") with those legs or pins. When a package contains >> more than one "chip", we call it a multi-chip-module. >> >> *> One motherboard socket, but multiple physical CPUs. * >> >> Actually, most MCMs contain *only one* CPU chip, but may contain memory >> controllers, memory chips, GPUs, and many other things. Under the new >> licensing rules, every one of those chips now counts as a "occupied socket", >> that is a "CPU", for licensing purposes. >> >> *> However, if you were going to purchase SE or SE1 licenses, I would >> definitely ask a licensing expert to be sure.* >> >> Yes, you should! But be *certain *when you are consulting an "expert" >> that they actually (fully) understand what a Multi-Chip-Module is! (Note: >> your Oracle sales rep probably does not...) >> >> >> >> > <http://www.last.fm/user/piontekdd/> > -- Jared Still Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist