As far as I know the only way to get a full outer join in Oracle is to use the ANSI full outer join syntax introduced in version 9. Before this you had to union what amounted to a left and a right outer join. A full outer join being defined as all the rows of A and all the rows of B: SQL> select d.deptno, e.ename 2 from dept d FULL OUTER JOIN emp e 3 on d.deptno = e.deptno 4 order by d.deptno ; DEPTNO ENAME ---------- ---------- 10 CLARK 10 MILLER 20 SMITH 20 SCOTT 20 FORD 20 ADAMS 20 JONES 30 ALLEN 30 JAMES 30 TURNER . 30 BLAKE 30 MARTIN 30 WARD 40 KING 15 rows selected. Looking back at the thread I think several of the posts are actually in agreement but what is/was meant by "extra rows" is actually the problem. One of, if not the first post on the thread, asked if I read it correctly if the row set returned by the outer join should match the count returned in A. The answer is not always as the join to B could cause additional rows to appear in the result set when there are multiple rows present in B for the join condition. An outer join will give you back the inner join plus those rows in A that do not have a maching row in B where A is the table where we always want to return a row from in the result set. HTH -- Mark D Powell -- -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Nuno Souto Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 10:08 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Quick question re outer joins Lex de Haan apparently said,on my timestamp of 23/07/2004 6:59 PM: > indeed -- just start with "select ename from scott.emp" to get 14 rows, > and then outer join with scott.dept -- I am pretty sure you'll see 15 rows. Nope. 14. > not sure whether you are talking about the left, right, or full outer join, > though ... full, I guess. The one you get by using (+) with Oracle. -- Cheers Nuno Souto in sunny Sydney, Australia dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------