My first thought was "no way"...no *free* upgrade from 8i to 9i by simply restoring and recovery with 9i. But thats not what they are saying...right; " recovery "through" an Oracle 8.1.7.x --> 184.108.40.206 migration,..." They say/imply; archive log 1 8i RMAN Backup... archive log 2 archive log 3 Upgrade/Migrate 8i to 9i... archive log 4 archive log 5 Upgrade your app... archive log 6 archive log 7 Database failure... RMAN(9i)> restore 8i backup. RMAN(9i)> roll/recover archive log 2 "through" archive log 7 Now 9i database again. Yeah I believe it...just using the 9i RMAN engine to restore and recovery a 8i database files...not really running 8i database "OPEN" with 9i binaries. Chris Marquez Oracle DBA -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Hollis, Les Sent: Tue 10/4/2005 8:17 PM To: Paul Drake Cc: ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Question for RMAN guru's From the 3rd party documentation 1. To help minimize downtime, a complete hot backup can be completed after the end users are allowed onto the system. This is due to the fact that one is able to recovery "through" an Oracle 8.1.7.x --> 220.127.116.11 migration, unlike the circumstances with Oracle 7.3.3 --> 8.1.7.x migrations. If recovery is required from Oracle 8i backups, then all recovery steps must be done in the Oracle 9i environment. ________________________________ From: Paul Drake [mailto:bdbafh@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:13 PM To: Hollis, Les Cc: ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Question for RMAN guru's On 10/4/05, Hollis, Les <Les.Hollis@xxxxxx> wrote: The backup is online......... It hasn't happened yet, we are starting the upgrade in about 2 hours......... Les, Can you take a subset of that backup set (e.g. system, rbs, one app schema tablespace's datafiles) and restore/recover that using the newer version as a test? Sorry that I can't be of more help, as I didn't use rman until 9.2. I don't even have any 8.1.7 databases around anymore - I was glad to get rid of them. Paul ________________________________ From: Paul Drake [mailto:bdbafh@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:59 PM To: Hollis, Les Cc: ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Question for RMAN guru's On 10/4/05, Hollis, Les <Les.Hollis@xxxxxx> wrote: I am being told that I could recover a database under 9i with backupsets that were backed up under 8i. Scenario: 8i database (18.104.22.168) on AIX Backup taken using RMAN Upgrade DB to 22.214.171.124 (that level determined by 3 rd party application only certified to .5) NO backup taken after upgrade due to time constraints and lack of disk space for backup Lose database and need to recover Restore 8i filesets and recover them under 9i Hasn't happened yet.....we are just projecting.... Can this be done...... According to 3rd party vendor yes with only 3 init.ora settings Was the rman backup set created online or offline (in other words, will it require recovery)? I can recall attempting to make consistent an 8.1.7 hot physical backup set with 9.2 binaries prior to an upgrade (cross-version cloning on test hardware). It wasn't pretty. It was tossed and a cold, consistent backup set was used for the test upgrade. Redo log formats have a habit of changing between major releases. In general, you will want to have a cold backup set (or offline rman backup set - mounted) for opening with the newer version. How did your tests turn out? Paul (that testing was on w2k3 32 bit, with 126.96.36.199.3) -- #/etc/init.d/init.cssd stop # f=ma, divide by 1, convert to moles.