Re: Query Database while shutdown in progress

Startup Force IS, actually, recommended.  Check out the 9i RMan demo file 
case1.rcv in $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/demo.  Also, in your 10g docs, check out
Backup and Recovery Advanced User's Guide
...6 Making Backups with RMAN: Advanced Topics
......Backing Up in NOARCHIVELOG Mode: Example

In both cases Oracle recommends a Startup Force / Shutdown Immediate / 
Startup Mount sequence to get your NoArchivelog database ready for its 
RMan backup.

Works for us in all our Dev and Test DB RMan backups.

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Re: Query Database while shutdown in progress




Sometime shutdown abort is necessary.  However, its not recommended.  I 
would rather not risk having to recover a database w/o a good reason.  If 
all that is needed is to monitor a shutdown immediate. there are a lot of 
ways to handle that.  If  nothing else, you can tail the alert log, and 
see the id thats keep the instance form shutting down, then kill that 
session.  That would be much safer than an abnormal termination of the 
instance.

On 6/27/07, Jared Still <jkstill@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
On 6/27/07, Andrew Kerber < andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I dont think a startup force is a good idea.  Last time I checked that did 
a shutdown abort followed by a startup.

Same old debate.

What's wrong with shutdown abort?

Sometimes it is necessary. 

In flight transactions get rolled back either way.
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Jared Still
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Andrew W. Kerber

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