I'm guessing most Oracle-l readers are not those type of pl/sql programmers, regardless of IDE. :) To answer another poster, I have the latest version of toad. Yuck. Fully licenced by company. Agree, learn on command line. Use IDEs to improve productivity, not as a crutch. Typing on a phone in a taxi sucks. TIM... -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l