Niall, OK, I asked a very general question and got some very general answers. Not bad considering. Here are the specifics: We're thinking of moving from dedicated database instances, with the plethora of management problems associated therein to a couple of RAC environments for fault tolerance (IE server failure) and load balancing among the servers as the basics. Oracle is telling us that ASM or OMF whichever you like is a mandatory part thereof. This poses a number of problems. First of which is damanagement which wants a change control form every time a data file does an auto extend. And a number of tablespaces that we don not want extending because we put data therein that is to be archived off to CDROM, consequently it's necessary for the process loading these tablespaces to error out every once in a while. Now I've never been an advocate of anything new that Oracle pops out of the factory until it's had some filed experience, read that as Not in it's first version. And I'm very skeptical of not knowing what is in what tablespace, especially when a hot disk pops up. We've used stripping and raid in the past with some really undesirable side effects, like mass writes taking forever and having to add more devices than we have to extend a mount point, and the resulting device additions to all of our Business Continuation Volumes. Basically trying that again is a definite no-no around here. True everyone says disk is cheap, unless you don't have them available. _____ From: Niall Litchfield [mailto:niall.litchfield@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 3:28 AM To: Goulet, Dick Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Oracle's ASSM On 9/12/05, Goulet, Dick <DGoulet@xxxxxxxx> wrote: Quick question, is anyone out there using Oracle's Automated System Storage Management software for production databases? I think you mean ASM - Automatic Storage Management, not ASSM - Automatic Segment Space Management. ASM is the one with a different instance to manage physical storage of data. If you do mean this then yes we are using it in RAC environment (10gSE so its mandated). Seems to work reasonably well so far. Not the tablespace level stuff, but the create a mount point & let Oracle decide the file names, etc... technically wouldn't that be Oracle Managed Files or OMF? You can do this on a plain file system quite simply since (IIRC 9i Release 1). I'm interested in knowing if your using it with a single instance database or a RAC system or both. See above. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified DBA -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.niall.litchfield.dial.pipex.com