Paula, Can you see an entry in the rdbms/audit directory around the time that the database was shut down? It might give you a clue as to who shut it down. Good Luck Tom -----Original Message----- From: Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Paula_Stankus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:52 AM To: Ethan.Post@xxxxxx; DGoulet@xxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Oracle experts are disgusted with SQL Server User Group Guys, Yesterday my 10G database shutdown. There were no errors - no ORA-07... ORA-0600 - nothing, no trace the alert log said shutdown normal. This was on Solaris 2.9. I swear the server didn't shutdown and there are 2 admins. And both of us were doing something and not shutting down the database. Help?=20 -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Post, Ethan Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 2:21 PM To: DGoulet@xxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Oracle experts are disgusted with SQL Server User Group Not sure I agree, I do think that the "bait" and "hook" technique that SSWUG is using is deceptive. However, if I wanted to publish a newsletter that is simply a set of links and what I think about them and charge people for that then I should be free to do that. It takes time and effort to sift through good material and bad material as well as simply find new/good material on the web. This time and effort is legit and people should be able to charge for this. I can't publish the materials in the newsletter or host the materials but linking should be fine. In this sense SSWUG is just acting as a glorified search engine. If I want to link to an article from a blog/newsletter whatever, it is just not feasible that everyone go around and ask the author for permission. I think there are some legal battles pertaining to this stuff currently going on. I think people have been able to stop people from linking, not sure. -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 1:10 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Oracle experts are disgusted with SQL Server User Group Well, I'll agree with Don. SSWUG would appear to have crossed a moral/ethical line selling pointers to data that can otherwise be obtained for free & making money off what others have placed in the public domain. I'm no lawyer so I won't comment of the legal aspects. I think they should have at least asked the authors for permission first. At least Don has not placed his scripts in the public domain so he has a right to sell them. Unless you want to do the research & stitching yourself, which I believe if three fourths of the fun. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l BEGIN-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS ------------------------------------------------------ Teach CanIt if this mail (ID 17434994) is spam: Spam: https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=3Ds&i=3D17434994&m=3D024d= 79a75 370 Not spam: https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=3Dn&i=3D17434994&m=3D024d= 79a75 370 Forget vote: https://dohsmsi01.doh.state.fl.us/canit/b.php?c=3Df&i=3D17434994&m=3D024d= 79a75 370 ------------------------------------------------------ END-ANTISPAM-VOTING-LINKS -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l