Just curious if any of you have ever had a problem with Oracle coming back up after a "crash" forced by a normal Windows shutdown (i.e. no disk or other hardware problems - just a reboot)? I know there are various registry settings to determine if Oracle shuts down, how it shuts down (normal/immediate/abort), and how long Windows should wait. And I know that Oracle Support's canned response on the subject is: "If the entry's are not set, stopping an service will do WORSE then an shutdown abort. Windows NT / 2000 will just "clean" the memory. This could be compared by a kill -9 on unix. This is likely to make any cold backup useless. " And the Oracle Admin doc says: "If ORA_SHUTDOWN or ORA_SID_SHUTDOWN is set to false, then shutting down OracleServiceSID will still shut down Oracle9i database. But it will be an abnormal shutdown, and Oracle Corporation does not recommend it." But, has anyone ever actually seen it cause a problem in real life? I've seen Windows shutdowns force thousands of Oracle crashes over the years and not once have I seen it cause any trouble for Oracle on startup - other than a little crash recovery of course. Thanks, Brandon Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.