I understand that, of course.... I wasn't quite clear in my meaning which was to say that if one could use a hint (as was the case in the Beta) then this feature would be even more useful. My only excuse for my lack of clarity was the lateness of the hour! :-) RF Robert G. Freeman Oracle Consultant/DBA/Author Principal Engineer/Team Manager The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Father of Five, Husband of One, Author of various geeky computer titles from Osborne/McGraw Hill (Oracle Press) Oracle Database 11g New Features Now Available for Pre-sales on Amazon.com! BLOG: http://robertgfreeman.blogspot.com/ Sig V1.2 -----Original Message----- From: Christian Antognini [mailto:Christian.Antognini@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 2:28 AM To: Robert Freeman Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Oracle 11g - Invisible Indexes Hi Robert > Now that I can't force the use of an invisible index > with a hint, what good is the feature? The aim of the feature is twofold: - Testing a DROP INDEX without really dropping it. IMHO this is only interesting for very large indexes. Otherwise it isn't a problem recreating it... - Testing a CREATE INDEX without impacting every operation on the database. To enable it the initialization parameter optimizer_use_invisible_indexes may be set at session level. Note that if hints would be honored the feature would be useless for the former utilization. Best regards, Chris -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l