Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain if so inclined)

I usually stuck to one class myself, but I gamed with a guy who played every
encounter as if he were a fighter/mage/cleric/thief, regardless of the
character he'd created.  With *excessively bad* dice luck.

I'd like to cast my vote for more RPG analogies in oracle-L threads, please.
;-)

Regards,

John P.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Lange, Kevin G <kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> **
> What ?  Didn't everyone have their favorite Warrior-Mage weilding a sword
> with one hand while throwing fireballs with the other ?
>
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Guillermo Alan Bort
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:51 PM
> *To:* Taylor, Chris David
> *Cc:* Michael.Coll-Barth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
> explain if so inclined)
>
> Thanks Chris, I didn't want to mention multiclassing and RPG but that is
> exactly what I had in mind when I wrote my reply... I honestly didn't expect
> there to be many who'd understand that reference here.
>
> cheers
> Alan.-
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Taylor, Chris David <
> ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  This touches on where I was going with my thought processes.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> It seems to me to be similar to the idea of multi-classing for those of us
>> who used to play RPGs back in the day.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> It seems to me (and perhaps I’m wrong) that an individual can achieve a
>> higher level of expertise through a targeted/focused approach in a specific
>> area or skill set.  When a person tries to achieve the same level of
>> expertise in 2 similar (but also very different) skill sets, the proficiency
>> in both is _*behind*_ any individual who takes the targeted approach and
>> will always remain behind.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> -Chris****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* alanbort@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:alanbort@xxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Guillermo
>> Alan Bort
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:03 PM
>> *To:* Taylor, Chris David
>> *Cc:* Michael.Coll-Barth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
>> explain if so inclined)****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I've often found it difficult to find candidates who would be able to
>> provide "operational excelence" in a single RDBMS (Oracle)... I'd hate to
>> have to look for someone who has to be proficient in both.
>>
>> now, cynicism apart, I think that in order to be really good at what you
>> do you have to dedicate a lot of time to it, and if you expect to have any
>> kind of work-life balance then you simply don't have the time to master two
>> RDBMS' to the same level.
>>
>> "Ah, but I already know Oracle, so I'll spend the next 5 years training in
>> SQL" you say? Well, good luck with that... if you have the time to do full
>> training on SQL then I envy you... and furthermore, 5 years of full time
>> training on SQL means no upkeep training on Oracle, which means you'd be
>> stuck with 9i/10g right now with all these nifty new 11gR2 features...
>> perhaps this is what Oracle is talking about.
>>
>> Also, I think we need to consider the target audience and read a little
>> more than the phrase itself, I think it's aimed at large companies with very
>> large DBA groups (from 10 to several dozen dbas), so they are giving a
>> statement that applies to *most* people. I have no doubt that there's
>> someone out there that is an Oracle Guru and an expert in SQL Server and
>> also dabbles in MySQL and PGSQL and keeps a Sybase in his usbkey... though I
>> doubt very much they are very common and I'd wager they have more than a
>> couple of decades of experience, which means hiring them may prove too
>> expensive.
>>
>> just my 0.02 AR$. ;-)
>>
>> cheers
>> Alan.-
>>
>> ****
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Taylor, Chris David <
>> ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:****
>>
>> Yikes!  Yes, I think you need to eat J****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I actually made the conscious decision to not define Operational
>> Excellence because it is different for each organization.  Operational
>> excellence might be recognized by providing 5 9s of availability (99.999)
>> because that is what is determined as the measuring stick for a particular
>> organization.  A different organization may strive for response time for 90%
>> of queries to complete in under 10 ms.  Obviously these are simplistic
>> examples.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I think you have made the mistake of equating excellence with infallible
>> or inerrant (or perhaps both).  Perhaps to you that is what operational
>> excellence *is. * To be inerrant and/or infallible.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I hope that helps.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> --Chris****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Coll-Barth, Michael
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:13 PM****
>>
>>
>> *To:* oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx****
>>
>> *Subject:* RE: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to
>> explain if so inclined)****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> What utter nonsensical, management double speak; 'operational
>> excellence'.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> But, I'll play.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Care to define the term?  ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> If I were to take the term at face value, I'd have to say that there are
>> very few out there that could be considered excellent at anything.  Some of
>> us may be very good or even damn good, but excellent?  No.  Even someone
>> like Tom Kyte has failings and he'd be the first to tell you that.  Just
>> check out his web site.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> As written, the statement is false and inflammatory.  ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Add the following line;  'But that individual could provide the
>> operational proficiency that is quite a bit more than good enough', and the
>> statement becomes true and reasonable.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> And with that said, 'excellence' is something to be strived for by
>> everyone, but is rarely, if ever, achieved by anyone.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I haven't eaten today, so perhaps I'm just not feeling excellent.  Ted,
>> Bill?  You ready to head out?  Your stepmom *is* cute, though.****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Taylor, Chris David
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:47 PM
>> *To:* 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
>> *Subject:* Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain
>> if so inclined)****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> I just want to get an idea of where some of you fall on this statement…**
>> **
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Truth Statement:****
>>
>> Due to the differences in Oracle and Microsoft database products, an
>> individual person cannot provide operational excellence in both products
>> with regard to the management of large enterprise data stores.  ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> (That is, to achieve operational excellence in regard to enterprise data
>> management of large data stores managed by both Oracle and SQL Server, you
>> need individuals who specialize in each technology).****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> --Chris****
>>
>> ****
>>
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