I usually stuck to one class myself, but I gamed with a guy who played every encounter as if he were a fighter/mage/cleric/thief, regardless of the character he'd created. With *excessively bad* dice luck. I'd like to cast my vote for more RPG analogies in oracle-L threads, please. ;-) Regards, John P. On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Lange, Kevin G <kevin.lange@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > ** > What ? Didn't everyone have their favorite Warrior-Mage weilding a sword > with one hand while throwing fireballs with the other ? > > ------------------------------ > *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: > oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Guillermo Alan Bort > *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:51 PM > *To:* Taylor, Chris David > *Cc:* Michael.Coll-Barth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to > explain if so inclined) > > Thanks Chris, I didn't want to mention multiclassing and RPG but that is > exactly what I had in mind when I wrote my reply... I honestly didn't expect > there to be many who'd understand that reference here. > > cheers > Alan.- > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Taylor, Chris David < > ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> This touches on where I was going with my thought processes.**** >> >> **** >> >> It seems to me to be similar to the idea of multi-classing for those of us >> who used to play RPGs back in the day.**** >> >> **** >> >> It seems to me (and perhaps I’m wrong) that an individual can achieve a >> higher level of expertise through a targeted/focused approach in a specific >> area or skill set. When a person tries to achieve the same level of >> expertise in 2 similar (but also very different) skill sets, the proficiency >> in both is _*behind*_ any individual who takes the targeted approach and >> will always remain behind.**** >> >> **** >> >> -Chris**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* alanbort@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:alanbort@xxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of >> *Guillermo >> Alan Bort >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:03 PM >> *To:* Taylor, Chris David >> *Cc:* Michael.Coll-Barth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> *Subject:* Re: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to >> explain if so inclined)**** >> >> **** >> >> I've often found it difficult to find candidates who would be able to >> provide "operational excelence" in a single RDBMS (Oracle)... I'd hate to >> have to look for someone who has to be proficient in both. >> >> now, cynicism apart, I think that in order to be really good at what you >> do you have to dedicate a lot of time to it, and if you expect to have any >> kind of work-life balance then you simply don't have the time to master two >> RDBMS' to the same level. >> >> "Ah, but I already know Oracle, so I'll spend the next 5 years training in >> SQL" you say? Well, good luck with that... if you have the time to do full >> training on SQL then I envy you... and furthermore, 5 years of full time >> training on SQL means no upkeep training on Oracle, which means you'd be >> stuck with 9i/10g right now with all these nifty new 11gR2 features... >> perhaps this is what Oracle is talking about. >> >> Also, I think we need to consider the target audience and read a little >> more than the phrase itself, I think it's aimed at large companies with very >> large DBA groups (from 10 to several dozen dbas), so they are giving a >> statement that applies to *most* people. I have no doubt that there's >> someone out there that is an Oracle Guru and an expert in SQL Server and >> also dabbles in MySQL and PGSQL and keeps a Sybase in his usbkey... though I >> doubt very much they are very common and I'd wager they have more than a >> couple of decades of experience, which means hiring them may prove too >> expensive. >> >> just my 0.02 AR$. ;-) >> >> cheers >> Alan.- >> >> **** >> >> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Taylor, Chris David < >> ChrisDavid.Taylor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:**** >> >> Yikes! Yes, I think you need to eat J**** >> >> **** >> >> I actually made the conscious decision to not define Operational >> Excellence because it is different for each organization. Operational >> excellence might be recognized by providing 5 9s of availability (99.999) >> because that is what is determined as the measuring stick for a particular >> organization. A different organization may strive for response time for 90% >> of queries to complete in under 10 ms. Obviously these are simplistic >> examples.**** >> >> **** >> >> I think you have made the mistake of equating excellence with infallible >> or inerrant (or perhaps both). Perhaps to you that is what operational >> excellence *is. * To be inerrant and/or infallible.**** >> >> **** >> >> I hope that helps.**** >> >> **** >> >> --Chris**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: >> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Coll-Barth, Michael >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:13 PM**** >> >> >> *To:* oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx**** >> >> *Subject:* RE: Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to >> explain if so inclined)**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> What utter nonsensical, management double speak; 'operational >> excellence'.**** >> >> **** >> >> But, I'll play.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> Care to define the term? **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> If I were to take the term at face value, I'd have to say that there are >> very few out there that could be considered excellent at anything. Some of >> us may be very good or even damn good, but excellent? No. Even someone >> like Tom Kyte has failings and he'd be the first to tell you that. Just >> check out his web site.**** >> >> **** >> >> As written, the statement is false and inflammatory. **** >> >> **** >> >> Add the following line; 'But that individual could provide the >> operational proficiency that is quite a bit more than good enough', and the >> statement becomes true and reasonable.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> And with that said, 'excellence' is something to be strived for by >> everyone, but is rarely, if ever, achieved by anyone.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> I haven't eaten today, so perhaps I'm just not feeling excellent. Ted, >> Bill? You ready to head out? Your stepmom *is* cute, though.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: >> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Taylor, Chris David >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:47 PM >> *To:* 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' >> *Subject:* Operational Excellence - True or False? (Feel free to explain >> if so inclined)**** >> >> **** >> >> I just want to get an idea of where some of you fall on this statement…** >> ** >> >> **** >> >> Truth Statement:**** >> >> Due to the differences in Oracle and Microsoft database products, an >> individual person cannot provide operational excellence in both products >> with regard to the management of large enterprise data stores. **** >> >> **** >> >> (That is, to achieve operational excellence in regard to enterprise data >> management of large data stores managed by both Oracle and SQL Server, you >> need individuals who specialize in each technology).**** >> >> **** >> >> --Chris**** >> >> **** >> > > > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity > to which it is addressed. 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