Thanks everyone, I have been to Orlando OUG. I'm convinced that MOTS or OOW, or other OUG is the way to spend my training money. Now I need to create a convincing justification so. I have presenters, (for not OOW I have price), many more subjects, more knowledgeable instructors. I'll ramrod this through either way, but sales is not my forte, so... good justification one liners eh? If not, ok. Thanks for the input thus far. Working on my English, :) Joel Patterson Database Administrator 904 727-2546 -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joel.Patterson@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 11:03 AM To: Oracle-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: OpenWorld There is an opportunity for training, offsite training also. I was thinking OpenWorld could work just as well if not better. I need to write up justification and benefits for the training. I will have to look at MySQL here shortly I believe for backup/recovery. Can anyone comment on whether OpenWorld would be just as good if not better than a 'course' out there. (I have not really gotten what I wanted out of a lot of courses at oracle itself). If so, then why? Thank you, Joel Patterson Database Administrator 904 727-2546 -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l