Would you still have to take down time in order to run post patch sql scripts? Or is there around that as well? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Wilton Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 9:02 AM To: mvetmp-ora@xxxxxxxxx; 'Oracle-L Freelists' Subject: Opatch and downtime (was: RE: Metalink and availability) Vitaliy <mvetmp-ora@xxxxxxxxx> wrote ... > I had a concern about patching ORACLE_HOME while the instance is running > (as described in your article by modifying patch scripts and oracle make- > files). I think that replacing shared libraries that oracle binaries > depend on might cause some side-effects on the running instance(s). I agree, and the solution is to treat shared libraries like binaries. The targets in the makefiles for shared libraries can be modified in a way similar to the binaries, and you can follow the same procedure of swapping them out during a brief downtime. > It's also not supported as the patch clearly states that all processes > must be down. Oracle BDE and support have always supported me in this procedure when I explained it to them. Sometimes Oracle will work with you to support tactics that provide higher availability, even when those tactics don't follow the exact procedure Oracle has proscribed. > Instead, I would suggest to pre-stage a copy of patched ORACLE_HOME that > was built on a different server, shutdown all running instances and > quickly switch ORACLE_HOMEs then apply DB portion of the upgrade (if any). This is also a fine method. My problem with it has always been that one-off patches are often less than a few Mb in size. My method is very efficient and requires a lot less prep time on the part of the DBA. Copying around your 2Gb master ORACLE_HOME is pretty inefficient and time-consuming in comparison. However, as you point out, your method leaves you in a state that requires very little explanation to support. -- Jeremiah Wilton ORA-600 Consulting http://www.ora-600.net --- Jeremiah Wilton <jeremiah@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > The thing that takes the most time with the CPU patches on Unix is that > Opatch patches and relinks one binary at a time serially. Having the > database down is completely unnecessary for many of these binaries, such > as sqlplus etc. Furthermore, even running binaries like oracle and > tnslsnr can be relinked with the databases open and running, and staged as > alternately named files (oracle-new, tnslsnr-new). You can then move them > all into place during a very brief outage for all instances. > > There are a number of tricks that you can use to greatly reduce the apply > time for the CPU patches. Start with the one-off patch apply guidelines > in my paper: > > http://www.ora-600.net/articles/stayinalive.pdf -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l