Past? In reality, I quite enjoy being a DBA but we're easy targets don't you think? It's partly because we don't try to hide our mishaps. We take responsibility and move on. It's the other 95% of "something's wrong with the database" and "the database is slow today" that we all get on a regular basis. So, some years ago, another [bitter] DBA I know came up with the alternate acronym. And I'm no more bitter than the rest of you :-) -Mark