RE: Normalization

Well, the 10g version isn't out yet, so that's not surprising.  ;)

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Pete
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"Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!"
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On Behalf Of Nelson, Allan
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Subject: RE: Normalization

I have the Oracle 6 & 7 version through the 8i version.  That is the
line that starts the "Performance and Design" chapter which is chapter
20 in the 6 & 7 version and chapter 40 in the 8i version.  I don't have
either the 9i or 10g version.

Allan

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Subject: RE: Normalization


I still actually have that book (largely because it's where I got the
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in my sig from) and in that version it quotes George Koch (Oracle7, The
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plete Reference) as saying "No major application will run in Third
Normal F=3D3D
orm".  Kevin's book was actually written in 94, but you were pretty
close.

I had a scan through the 10g version of the complete reference, and
can't s=3D3D
ee that same quote anywhere.

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Pete
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"Controlling developers is like herding cats."
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"Oh no, it's not.  It's much harder than that!"
Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA

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On Behalf Of Singer, Phillip (P.W.)
Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2004 4:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Normalization



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Subject:        Re: Normalization
On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 11:09, Daniel Fink wrote:
> I recall a quotation to the effect that no database will perform
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ly
> in 3rd Normal Form. To me this defines the difference between theory
and
...

I first saw this in the first editon of the Official Oracle DBA Hanbook,
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published by Oracle Press; the edition which covered Version 6 and the =3D3=
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beginnings of Version 7.(circa 1993)  I no longer have that book, but I
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remembered it being in the 8i edition.  I found it on page 323, where =3D3D=


it is attributed to ORACLE8: the Complete Reference.  I don't know if =3D3D=


it has disappeared from more recent editions.

The reason for bringing this all up is that 10 years ago, this was
reasonab=3D3D
le
advice.  In the systems I have worked with in the last two years, I have
honestly never come accross a situation where denormalizing was ever
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In fact, we have had several situations where the solution was to
re-normal=3D3D
ize an old denormalized design.


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