Re: Newbies welcome, or not?

Jared, you may remember this.  A long time ago
Oracle-l was hosted by SUNY.  Oracle had just started
to take off like a rocket and there were few really
experienced DBAs. Almost everyone on the list was a
newbie.   Many of us kept our jobs and reached
maturity as DBAs because of the help we got from
Oracle-l in those days.  Newbies were always welcome. 


Or maybe, we have evolved from enthusiastic, curious
newbies to seasoned professionals who are also grumpy
old men and women.    

--- Jared.Still@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > 
> > ANYBODY who would type ANYTHING in as root WITHOUT
> knowing what it 
> > does EXACTALLY should not have root access, is not
> responsable 
> > enough to have root access and needs to WAKE UP
> and LEARN the "man" 
> command.
> > 
> > good lord, people, what happened to personal
> responsibility and 
> > professionalism?
> > 
> It would seem that many of us have forgotten that
> Scott Adams gets
> fodder for Dilbert from real life.
> 
> As Mark Powell has pointed out, folks get thrown
> into the position of
> DBA and/or Unix admin without much prior experience,
> and they don't
> have much say in the matter, short of finding new
> employment.  That
> is not always an option.  They may not yet have a
> good concept of how
> unix works, and don't yet appreciate the power of
> root. 
> 
> So, are we saying we should not answer newbie
> questions for folks that
> don't have a clue, and yet they are required to fill
> the position?
> 
> Even pointing someone to the correct section of the
> documentation can
> be extremely useful.  I started with Oracle 7.0.12. 
> The documentation
> was quite a bit smaller than now, but it wasn't
> always clear which 
> doc I needed.
> 
> The docs are now 20k+ pages for all the Oracle
> online docs.  The index
> and search capabilities are useful, but hardly
> infallible.  Is it too
> much trouble for us to point someone in the right
> direction?
> 
> How about the less experienced listers? I often
> ignore simple questions,
> knowing that this gives an opportunity for junior
> folks to participate
> in the list, and help out those that have even less
> experience than
> they do.
> 
> So, what's the consensus? 
> 
> Should be welcome folks with little experience, or
> make it clear that
> they should come back when they know what they're
> doing?
> 
> My vote is for trying to be helpful, even to those
> with annoyingly
> simple questions.  If I don't care to answer, I
> leave it for someone else.
> 
> 
> Jared
> 
> 
>
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Pete Barnett
Lead Database Administrator
The Regence Group
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