RE: New books and new authors - and experience?
- From: "Niall Litchfield" <n-litchfield@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:04:00 +0000
Shucks and I just thought it would be mssql 2009 :(
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 19 March 2004 19:11
> To: mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: New books and new authors - and experience?
>
>
> Logically, it will have to be:
>
> Start
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> Begin Internet Craze and use of letters
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> End Internet Craze and use of databases
> Stop.
>
> Mogens
>
> FOX, Simon wrote:
>
> > Should that not be 11f (for fad)?
> >
> > Simon Fox
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Richard Foote [mailto:richard.foote@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: 17 March 2004 11:26
> > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: New books and new authors - and experience?
> >
> >
> > Hi Morgens,
> >
> > I'm currently writing a new features book on 11r (the r btw
> standards for
> > redundancies) and to think, I was going to ask you to proof read it.
> >
> > Well you can just forget about it if that's your attitude !!
> >
> > Cheers ;)
> >
> > Richard
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mogens N*rgaard" <mln@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:41 AM
> > Subject: New books and new authors - and experience?
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Friends,
> >>
> >>I recently wrote this message, but then sent it just to
> myself in order
> >>not to offend anyone or perhaps be misunderstood.
> >>
> >>But after 14 days with this message in my inbox, I have
> decided to go
> >>ahead and send it to the list:
> >>=================================================================
> >>
> >>It's becoming a habit to churn out books about topics that cannot
> >>possibly have been explored yet. And certainly not in any scientific
> >
> > manner.
> >
> >>How on Earth can we have books out with the word "10g" on
> the cover when
> >>10g just came out, and we all know, that getting something
> as basic as
> >>OEM (and certainly AWR/ADDM/ASH/Advisor services) to work
> during the
> >>Beta phase has been damned near impossible? If that is the
> case, how can
> >>the books talk in detail about how fantastic these features are?
> >>Sandra's last name is...
> >>
> >>I don't really care whether the books were "betatized" or not, or
> >>however various authors try to impress on people that their
> books are
> >>better than the other's. These are all books written by
> people without
> >>real experience in 10g (because it's bloody well impossible
> to HAVE real
> >>experience yet!) talking about people writing books about
> something they
> >>don't know enough about yet...
> >>
> >>I fully understand Oracle's wishes here. I fully understand the
> >>publisher's wishes here. I might even understand the author's wishes
> >>here (or maybe not). But it's too much now. iAS.
> >>
> >>I think it's time for all of us to stop buying sensationalist or
> >>un-finished or whatever books and wait until books by people who've
> >>actually done real work, in the real world, with 10g appear.
> >>
> >>Hands down: Shouldn't we all be reading James Morle's book
> (titled *8i*)
> >>or Jonathan's (titled *8i*) and LEARNING real stuff instead of just
> >>running around in real and virtual book stores, looking for
> new sound
> >>bites or cut/paste's from Oracle's own documentation?
> >>
> >>Read Oracle's documentation first, try out 10g, then see if
> anybody with
> >>REAL experience has written a book.
> >>
> >>Of course they haven't. They don't exist, since the Oracle version
> >>hasn't been out yet.
> >>
> >>Oh, I know how this happens. Been there. You're approached by a
> >>publisher who wants to publish fast and make lots of money
> for them and
> >>you. If you don't say NO, then you're caught between delivering
> >>SOMETHING and being blasted by the publisher. So you choose
> - perhaps -
> >>to generate text and examples and stuff that make it appear
> as if you
> >>actually WORKED with this new version of Oracle.
> >>
> >>Of course you didn't. Ask the authors what customers or
> partners they
> >>worked with using 10g. Ask them if this was real production
> or just the
> >>usual "let's try this, let's try that" stuff. Ask. Then
> think. Of course
> >>they havne't been able to do anything realistic yet.
> >>
> >>Man, when I looked at the books offered from various
> publishers at the
> >>RMOUG, there were a few good Oracle-related books (Dave
> Ensor's Design,
> >>Cary's, Lawson's, Connor's, etc.) and about 90% of the
> displayed books
> >>being ... well... not worth the money.
> >>
> >>Mogens
> >>
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