Re: Methods to Create Smaller Test DB from Production?
- From: chris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 09:09:37 +0000
Mark (& Mladen),
Thanks for the pricing info. BTW for those interested DataBee is £ 7,500 per
seat so it looks like both are in the same ballpark pricewise but DataBee the
more expensive.
Thanks,
Chris
Quoting Mark Richard <mrichard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
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> Chris,
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> I don't actually have access to pricing as the product was purchased before
> I arrived here. To give you a ballpark figure though, when purchased a one
> seat licence was less than $AU10,000 (perhaps $US6,000 when purchased - but
> the Aussie dollar is moving). We are only licenced for Oracle - I believe
> each database technology you wish to connect to introduces another cost.
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> If you need a starting point to contact the company you could try Nicole
> Cadet (ncadet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx). Tell her I sent you. She will either
> be able to help you or pass you on to someone who can depending on the
> region of the world you are from.
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> Regards,
> Mark.
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> chris@thedunscombe
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> Mark,
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> Sounds like a great product. Any idea what the rough cost for "Move for
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> Thanks,
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> Chris
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> PS I was involved in writing a bespoke tool for one system I used to work
> on.
> It took 2 of us a couple of months if I remember correctly (it was 1997).
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> wasn't perfect but the developers and management thought it was great and
> used
> it every day to extract small numbers of accounts for bug fixing, testing
> etc.
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> Quoting Mark Richard <mrichard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
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> > Let me support Mladen on this 110%.
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> > I use Princeton Softech's "Move for Servers" product and it does exactly
> > what you are after. Let me elaborate on our scenario for you...
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> > Our production instance of over 1TB, from there we use backup tapes to
> > restore a volume testing environment once every so often (this acts as a
> > recovery test of sorts as well). From here we use Move for Servers to
> > create many small test and development databases (about 20 of them
> > currently active). We have no Referential Integrity defined within our
> > database (not my preference) so I had to manually teach the tool about
> each
> > relationship. Then I select the tables that I want extracted and define
> > limits. For example, I have one extract to get all referential data
> > (perhaps 50 tables), one extract to get data based on customers (about 80
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> > tables) and several other adhoc extracts to meet specific requirements
> > (such as testing a specific defect). Once the initial definitions are
> > created then maintenance is a breeze.
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> > To build a new database I create the structure from DDL (Move for Servers
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> > can do this but isn't flexible enough for my preference), then load a
> > Reference extract and then load a 500 Customer extract. To extract all
> > data for 500 customers (from perhaps 500,000 - 1,000,000 customers) from
> > our system takes about 3-4 hours and then to load this into a new
> > environment takes about 15 minutes. I keep the extracts once created so
> > that I can load into multiple destinations quickly.
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> > I could talk for hours about Move for Servers - there is a wealth of
> > functionality in there once you start to understand the tool and their
> > support and pricing are wonderful. So ignore those people suggesting you
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> > roll-your-own unless you are a sucker for punishment. Did I also mention
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> > that Move for Servers can move data between different RDBMS's - so moving
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> > data from Oracle to SQL Server (for example) is possible? That may or
> may
> > not be a feature of importance to you. If you have any further questions
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> > let me know. I can also put you into contact with people from Princeton
> > Softech if you wish.
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> > Regards,
> > Mark.
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> > Mladen Gogala
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> > It does exist. Take a look at Princeton Softech,
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> > http://www.princetonsoftech.com
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> > Very good tool, very good company. Alternatively, there is
> > a UK company called DataBee, which does the same thing. I don't have
> > much experience with them, but thweir DBA Tool to extract DDL from
> > an export file is excellent. You can look at them at
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> > http://www.databee.com
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> > On 03/01/2004 02:54:05 PM, "Thater, William" wrote:
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> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:thomas.mercadante@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
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> > > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:48 PM
> > > To: 'oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > > Subject: RE: Methods to Create Smaller Test DB from Production?
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> > > David,
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> > > Boy, this would be a great tool if it existed.
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> > > I think the only way out for you is to roll-your-own. You could easily
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> > > identify code tables (look-up tables) and export all of that data. But
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> > > relational data (like your main parent table and all of the subsequent
> > > children records) you will probably need to move by hand - or by
> writing
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> > > program to select, say, 10,000 master records and all of the subsequent
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> > > child records. It's not an easy task, but once you've done it, it is
> in
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> > > can - but subject to updates when new tables and relationships come
> > along.
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> > > Good Luck!
> > > [Shrek]
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> > > there is a product from Quest that will do that for PeopleSoft, i used
> it
> > on
> > > my previous gig to do just that. but i don't know if it will work with
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> > > databases other than PeopleSoft.
> > > --
> > > Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA
> > > "I'm going to work my ticket if I can..." -- Gilwell song
> > > william.thater@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> > > enkindles the great. - Comte de Bussy-Rabutin
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