RE: License to use Pro*C

FWIW, I was also always under the impression that Pro C was included in the
general license.

Jay Miller


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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:08 PM
To: Carel-Jan Engel
Cc: dba.orcl@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: License to use Pro*C

Well, I'm no legal guru, but Pro*C is sold as a development tool, not
part and parcel of the rdbms.  You can very easily run the rdbms without
Pro*C.  You can even develop applications without Pro*C using the OCI
interface that I do believe is part and parcel of the standard rdbms
package.  Therefore for licensing requirements for Pro*C don't go
looking under the RDBMS, but development tools.  I know they include
Pro*C with the rdbms cd's, but so don't they include partioning,
context, etc....  It does not mean your free & clear to use it.  And as
always, if in doubt ask your sales droid, cautiously.
  _____  

From: Carel-Jan Engel [mailto:cjpengel.dbalert@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:59 AM
To: Goulet, Dick
Cc: dba.orcl@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: License to use Pro*C


Sorry Dick, I don't get it.

Sami asked: 

        Does anyone aware of the licensing terms for Pro*C in 9i EE. 

9i EE, that is the RDBMS, isn't it? So I started looking under RDBMS.

The link I found contains the text:



        Note: 
        
        Components that require a separate license are identified in
their descriptions in this appendix. 



So, in this appendix the partitioning option shows:



        A feature that provides more control in managing tables and
indexes by directing all maintenance operations to individual partitions
rather than to tables and index names. 
        
        This component requires a separate license. 


And Pro*C reads:



        The Pro*C/C++ precompiler takes SQL statements embedded in your
C and C++ programs and converts them to standard C code. When you
precompile this code, the result is a C or C++ program that you compile
and use to build applications that access an Oracle9i database. 


No words about a separate license here. So, when you got EE licensed,I
think Pro*C is included in that license. I can imagine though that
Pro*C, just for use with the Oracle client and without having your own
Oracle RDBMS license, requires separate licensing, altough Oracle
doesn't charge for the Oracle client software separately, IIRC.

The last thing I would do is to mislead the members of this list. I
tried a search on tahiti.oracle.com with 'development tools license', as
you suggested, but got no hits. Can you point where you found that Pro*C
needs separate licensing?


Best regards,

Carel-Jan Engel

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On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 15:19, Goulet, Dick wrote: 

        Look under development tools, nor RDBMS.
        
  _____  

        From: Carel-Jan Engel [mailto:cjpengel.dbalert@xxxxxxxxx] 
        Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 5:31 AM
        To: Goulet, Dick
        Cc: dba.orcl@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
        Subject: RE: License to use Pro*C
        
        
        I wouldn't say that I'm an Oracle license specialist, but IIRC
Pro*C has been included in the basic license since a couple of releases.
The last release I remember you needed a separate license was 5, but
maybe it was the case in 6 as well.
        
        Focusing on 9i,
http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/html/A95493_01/componen.htm#634251
<http://download-west.oracle.com/docs/html/A95493_01/componen.htm#634251
>  shows what components need separate licenses. Pro*C isn't one of
them.
        De options markes with a separate license note are:
        - Advanced security
        - Change Management Pack
        - Diagnostics Pack
        - Internet Directory (for general purpose LDAP usage)
        - Label Security
        - OLAP
        - Partitioning
        - RAC
        - Spatial
        - Tuning Pack
        - Advanced Analytic Services - Data Mining
        
        However, Oracle licensing details aren't available in a
prominently visable clear matrix on their website, it's more or less
obfuscated, hidden in all sorts of documents. Otherwise these questions
might not arise so often in this list.....
        Therefore, I need a disclaimer here: The observation that you do
not need to license Pro*C separately is just my personal observation,
and final answers about licensing are only available from authorized
Oracle employees!
        
        ;-)
        
        
Best regards,

Carel-Jan Engel

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        On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 15:58, Goulet, Dick wrote: 

                Yes.=20
                
                -----Original Message-----
                From: Sami Seerangan [mailto:dba.orcl@xxxxxxxxx]=20
                Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:54 AM
                To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
                Subject: License to use Pro*C
                
                Hi:
                
                It may be slightly off topic.
                Does anyone aware of the licensing terms for Pro*C in 9i
EE. Do we
                have to pay any additional license fee to use Pro*C?
                
                Thanks in advance
                Sami
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