Jokes aside. I think it's definitely better to be straight with the boss and earn respect over time. Watch what you say and always back it up with supporting evidence. ....in case of incompetent manager, the supporting evidence (metrics) will be just as affective as any mumbo jumbo. :) chris -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ryan_gaffuri@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:30 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Impressing your boss managers love metrics. Come up with some completely irrelevant statistics to do a 'db health check'. Show that these numbers are horrible. Then make some completely irrelevant change and show your boss the same irrelevant metrics and proclaim that the db is now healthy.=20 Spit out some archaic and jumbled techno-babble so that noone has any idea what you are talking about(they will assume you are smart, because only smart people talk like that).=20 this actually works... its also useful to get managers to go away when they get annoying.=20 -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l