Is it just me or are you getting a lot of 'bogus' results from goolge. Specially those pointing to sites that 'answer' questions... magically JUST the question you have, and they charge you to see the answer. I hate those. Google is loosing its usefullness for Oracle-related searches for me... I've come to rely mostly in oracle-l and Tahiti... not even ML, since the crappy flash upgrade. Alan.-