>>shutdown abort with _disable_logging and you'll see some interesting consequences Ahhhh yes we conversed on this topic a while back. I used _disable_logging for migration purposes after a lot of TEST my process. I kept wondering why my test db was crashing hard...we had some disk issue at the time, so that seemed the culprit. Turns out I kept leaving my TEST db up with _disable_logging enabled during server reboots...it did not come back happily A great and very, very challenging recovery filled with undocumented parameters that rendered my TEST database un-supported. I was able to recover sometimes, but others not. Think I was "bumping scn's" and allowing reset log corruption. You have not lived until you have recovered a database this way...nasty! :o) Also, learned and documented the "clean way" to stop using _disable_logging and put my db back in archive log mode. Sorry, "yes" _disable_logging saved time during my migration (at the risk of loosing it all on the *new* server, but not on the old server). Chris Marquez Oracle DBA ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Connor McDonald Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:08 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: How much time can save using _disable_logging on 10g shutdown immediate is still a clean shutdown. Try shutdown abort with _disable_logging and you'll see some interesting consequences hth connor -- Connor McDonald =========================== email: connor_mcdonald@xxxxxxxxx web: http://www.oracledba.co.uk "Semper in excremento, sole profundum qui variat"