Andrew, Thanks for the info. The question arose because at one point I was told that Oracle didn't support that. Several folks suggested opening an SR and asking them directly. I will do that and report back. Thanks. Bill Wagman Univ. of California at Davis IET Campus Data Center wjwagman@xxxxxxxxxxx (530) 754-6208 From: Andrew Kerber [mailto:andrew.kerber@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:30 PM To: William Wagman Cc: Stefan Knecht; oracle-l Subject: Re: How do you meet your audit requirement? Oracle recommends doing an alter table move on the aud$ table to a non-system tablespace. That recommendation has been around for some time (at least 3 years). You dont need to rename it or anything. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:10 PM, William Wagman <wjwagman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Stefan, I will open an SR and post the results. Thanks. Bill Wagman Univ. of California at Davis IET Campus Data Center wjwagman@xxxxxxxxxxx (530) 754-6208 From: Stefan Knecht [mailto:knecht.stefan@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:23 AM To: William Wagman Cc: oracle-l Subject: Re: How do you meet your audit requirement? Oracle Support has officially called this a "grey zone" -- Oracle development won't officially label it supported, but Oracle Support does, and stated so in several SRs. Just open a quick SR for your own CSI, so you have the statement officially in case things get hairy. And the worst that could happen is when you're running into a BUG that's related to that table, they might ask you to move it back to SYSTEM temporarily to see if the issue still occurs. AUD$ isn't one of the truly internal tables that are protected by bootstrap$ -- technically, only those are very hard to toy with, most of the others are just plain tables. As a side note, if you're installing Database Vault (or, more precisely, Label Security) aud$ gets moved to SYSTEM user, and SYS only gets a public synonym. And if you can even put the table in another schema, there's surely nothing technical that would prevent you from putting it into a different tablespace. Cheers Stefan On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 2:00 AM, William Wagman <wjwagman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Greetings, This brings up another somewhat related question. In a book on Oracle Security the suggestion was made to put the aud$ table in a separate tablespace as follows... 1) Create a new tablespace; 2) Create table audit_temp tablespace <new tablespace> as select * from sys.aud$; 3) Drop table sys.aud$; 4) Rename audit_temp to aud$ This would keep the sys.aud$ table from causing the system tablespace to grow inordinately large. Upon mentioning to another person that I was using this technique I was told that it is not a good idea and that Oracle does not support the practice of rebuilding sys tables. That makes good sense to me. The question then is how does one keep the aud$ table from making the system tablespace really huge? Thanks. Bill Wagman Univ. of California at Davis IET Campus Data Center wjwagman@xxxxxxxxxxx (530) 754-6208 From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Still Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:08 PM To: ltiu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: How do you meet your audit requirement? On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Lyndon Tiu <ltiu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: We use: 1) sys.aud$ 2) Each table has a last_updated_date and a last_updated_by column. It gets updated by a trigger: CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER TABLE.LAST_UPDATE_TRG before insert or update on ... Those measures only work for accounts that don't have the access to change the audit data. Quite a number of DBA's have that access. This method may meet audit requirements, but it will not prevent someone with admin privileges from stealing data, and covering his tracks in the process. I imagine this story could be repeated in a number of companies. That trigger for instance could easily be modified to: CREATE OR REPLACE TRIGGER TABLE.LAST_UPDATE_TRG before insert or update on TABLE for each row begin if user = 'SCOTT' then null; else :new.last_updated_date := sysdate; :new.last_updated_by := sys_context('USERENV','OS_USER ') || ' ' || sys_context('USERENV','HOST') || ' ' || sys_context('USERENV','IP_ADDRESS'); end if; end; / -- Jared Still Certifiable Oracle DBA and Part Time Perl Evangelist -- ========================= Stefan P Knecht Senior Consultant Infrastructure Managed Services Trivadis AG Europa-Strasse 5 CH-8152 Glattbrugg Phone +41-44-808 70 20 Fax +41-808 70 12 Mobile +41-79-571 36 27 stefan.knecht@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.trivadis.com OCP 9i/10g SCSA SCNA ========================= -- Andrew W. Kerber 'If at first you dont succeed, dont take up skydiving.'