David Sooooo . . . how many free beers did that opportunity take? Actually he sounds like a pretty canny director. Now the next question. When are you going to write your book "People Skills for the DBA"? It is ironic, most of us spent years trying to be the smartest person we knew, making the best grades, getting that college degree, etc. Then you go to work and many coworkers think you are arrogant. Of course nobody tells you that. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. dwilliams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of David Green Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:31 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Future DBA job outlook Were getting outside the origional topic, but what the hell... I have managed to do quite well with no college degree and no OCP. My situation is quite unique in those terms though. I was a bartender who met the director of IT at one of the US largest airports and he took me under his wing almost 11 years ago now. He was tired of technical people who could'nt work with others(no people skills) and thus saw that I had good people skills and could be trained). I have 10 years in the industry now, which is the only reason why not having a degree is'nt a factor any longer. I have always been in the most upper percentile in terms of compensation in a given area. Point is you get what you can get based on where ya have been and what ya have done. Aside from negotiating skills and what ones experience and skillset brings to the table though, Rachel is right on about location location location. - David > Rachel, > > Same with me as regards the OCP and the college degree, exactly. > > As with the other, strictly voluntary - I appreciate your response. I can > just picture your accountant at tax time - "OK, Rachel, can you at least > give me a RANGE that your salary is in? No? How about, I'll guess and you > tell me if I'm getting warmer." :-) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to: oracle-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put 'unsubscribe' in the subject line. -- Archives are at //www.freelists.org/archives/oracle-l/ FAQ is at //www.freelists.org/help/fom-serve/cache/1.html -----------------------------------------------------------------