"Probably had an Oracle certified DBA so they took his/her work as law & did what he/she wanted even though the person is not worth their weight in trash to start with." Really?!? You're going to open that can of worms? Do you honestly think that anyone with an Oracle certification isn't "worth their weight in trash". Certifications DO serve a couple of purposes. First, they allow your resume to get past the incompetant boobs in HR. Second, they help a newbie get the job they want. Third, they show an employer your desire to continually improve. Is a certification a replacement for years on the job? Absolutely not! But, they can add to an already successful career and help get that next promotion; not because you're certified, but because you've shown a desire to improve your knowledge and skills. William ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:08 PM To: Brandon.Allen@xxxxxxxxxxx; jkstill@xxxxxxxxx; Oracle-L Freelists Subject: RE: DBA's as idiots It sounds like both stories were from the same location. Probably had an Oracle certified DBA so they took his/her work as law & did what he/she wanted even though the person is not worth their weight in trash to start with. Wonder if it's someone that I use to work for. ______________________________________________________________ Dick Goulet / Capgemini North America P&C / East Business Unit Senior Oracle DBA / Hosting Office: 508.573.1978 / Mobile: 508.742.5795 / www.capgemini.com Fax: 508.229.2019 / Email: richard.goulet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 45 Bartlett St. / Marlborough, MA 01752 Together: the Collaborative Business Experience ______________________________________________________________ ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Allen, Brandon Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:53 PM To: jkstill@xxxxxxxxx; Oracle-L Freelists Subject: RE: DBA's as idiots Good stories, but I'd suggest a better approach for the developer in the second story in which the DBA is obviously not worthy of the title. The developer should've created a test case complete with trace files to show that the query performed better with the index on last name, and then done a live demo for the manager making it indisputable. If the manager doesn't respond to such empirical evidence but still blindly sides with the DBA, the developer should find a better employer ASAP. Sneaking behind the manager and DBA's backs isn't the right way to go about it. Regards, Brandon ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Still http://computerworld.com/action/sharktank.do?command=viewDailyFull&date= 20080507 Privileged/Confidential Information may be contained in this message or attachments hereto. Please advise immediately if you or your employer do not consent to Internet email for messages of this kind. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of this company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.