After mulling this over with a few folks, I thought to hit a larger audience. Has anyone done work to identify basic, standard and advanced DBA skills? Oracle University has an interesting framework with their certification program, but I find it lacking in several different ways and looking for something a little more realistic and practical. Tying together some other blog posts, I had a strange thought about basing it off RPG-style skill points and how one builds a character in the virtual world (so all you WOW fans should jump on this! *grin*): http://orajourn.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-oracle-were-mmo-what-skills-would.html -- Charles Schultz Sent from Champaign, Illinois, United States