Re: Coke switches to DB2!!

Moving SAP from Oracle to DB2 shouldn't be a big shift for an SAP database
administrator.  They tend to use the SAP tools for the admin tasks anyway -
it's harder to convince them to manage Oracle without SAP.
Application compatibility should be a non-issue.  SAP has supported DB2 for
as long as I can remember - I think DB2 was the original preferred platform
long ago and far away.

Should they choose to move other Oracle databases to the DB2 platform, then
they might struggle transitioning the dba's and the systems.  imho, you
seldom learn as much about the care and feeding of the underlying database
working with SAP as you might on other apps. The initial migration won't
help the learning curve for future migrations.

I'd rather move to DB2 that SQL Server any day, although I'd have a lot of
relearning to do. But I would have an issue with a manager that approached
his senior person and TOLD him the migration was going to happen.  Seems
like a wise manager would approach his technical person to find out the
ramifications of the choice first.  Hopefully, the article wrote it that way
for impact.

There's a big push from IBM to get our OEM business and the people who have
to negotiate the licensing with Oracle are listening. They're really annoyed
with the per core model and with the steadily increasing prices, and IBM is
offering lower cost in a simpler model.  Fortunately, our guys are smart
enough to invite technical people to the meeting and ASK what we get from
Oracle that we don't get from the other products.  Between me and another
guy, we gave them a pretty long list, plus the negotiators understood that
the maturity and capability of the feature counts.

But then again, I don't do SAP (anymore) .... :)  <== that smiley face s/b
really, really big

Robyn


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Reimer, John J. <JJReimer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

>  IBM even created a Sqlplus-like tool, it is very similar – right down to
> creating a file named afiedt.buf if you edit what is in the buffer.
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> SAP and IBM have certainly gotten very chummy since Oracle Apps started
> cutting into SAP’s market.  The sales people from both companies are quick
> to point out that IBM runs its business on SAP and SAP runs its business on
> DB2, SAP develops its code on DB2 first, and then ports to the other
> supported databases.  Officially, SAP does not favor any particular
> database, but you can definitely get the impression that DB2 is the more
> strategic long-term option.
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> If you purchase your database license through SAP, they charge an 11%
> markup for Oracle, or 14% if you want to use optional Oracle products, such
> as Data Vault or RAC.  If you go with DB2 on Linux, Unix or Windows, the
> markup is only 8%.  IBM sales folks say this includes advanced compression
> and many other features that SAP takes advantage of.  I don’t know exactly
> what is or is not included.  IBM also touts the cost savings you have
> because the compression allows you to save vast sums on disk space if you go
> with DB2.
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Zito
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:12 PM
> *To:* mnavickas@xxxxxxxxx; rjoralist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Oracle-L
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> *Subject:* RE: Coke switches to DB2!!
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> Also, DB2 9.5 or 9.7 has the Oracle compatibility layer built-in.  The
> pitch is to organizations that the pain of migrating from Oracle->DB2 is
> dramatically mitigated when you don’t have to completely rewrite your
> application code.  That was the technology IBM licensed/invested to get from
> EnterpriseDB.
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> Might be another reason to consider DB2 in the organization.
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> Matt
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> *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Mindaugas Navickas
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 2:47 PM
> *To:* rjoralist@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Oracle-L
> *Subject:* Re: Coke switches to DB2!!
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> With DB2 v9 data compression is comming "out-of-box"... that's might be one
> of the arguments...
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> I have noticed that from quality of support and from the cost perspective
> it's usualy better combination (at least in last few years):
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> SAP-DB2
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> Siebel-Oracle DB
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> Peoplesoft-Oracle DB
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> Examples? OBIEE (former Siebel Analytics) to DB2 v9 certification was
> released by Oracle less than 3 months before DB2 v8 support was dropped by
> IBM (April 30th). Needless to say that 3 months is not enought time for
> customers to test applications with supported database version. At the same
> time OBIEE is certified with Oracle 9, 10, 11 (different releases).
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> Regards
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> Mike Navickas
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> Oracle&DB2 DBA
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