We manage this situation by a combination of any of the following measures.. 1- force logging db-wide. With DG, this is the safest way. 2- monitor for nologging activity and alert at priority one. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Powell, Mark D <mark.powell@xxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:04 AM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Change index from nologging to logging Yes, it is wrong. The manuals are often technically wrong and sometimes like this one the manuals are just out and out wrong based on the wording. -- Mark D Powell -- Phone (313) 592-5148 -----Original Message----- From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charlotte Hammond Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:06 PM To: hkchital@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Change index from nologging to logging Hi Hemant, Thanks for your reply. That seems clear: so the line in the manual stating that "This setting also determines whether subsequent Direct Loader (SQL*Loader) and direct-path INSERT operations against the index are logged or not logged." is just wrong? Thanks Charlotte ----- Original Message ---- From: Hemant K Chitale <hkchital@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Charlotte Hammond <charlottejanehammond@xxxxxxxxx>; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:15:43 PM Subject: Re: Change index from nologging to logging At 05:02 AM Tuesday, Charlotte Hammond wrote: <sorry, the text of your email has been snipped by the spam filter, I got only your email header !, but retrieving your email from the oracle-l archives> In the manual (SQL Reference 10g) it says: Specify whether the creation of the index will be logged (LOGGING) or not logged (NOLOGGING) in the redo log file. This setting also determines whether subsequent Direct Loader (SQL*Loader) and direct-path INSERT operations against the index are logged or not logged. LOGGING is the default.Are you not counting direct load/insert as DML, or do you believe this statement is wrong? I'd like to test it but so busy just now... See http://asktom.oracle.com/pls/asktom/f?p=100:11:0::::P11_QUESTION_ID:5280 714813869 " Followup August 29, 2008 - 11pm US/Eastern: indexes always, always, always generate redo during any insert, any - any - any insert. We were talking only about tables. insert /*+ append */ - since it is done in bulk will MINIZE the redo, but it'll generate redo for the indexes *always* if the index is maintained. " Also see http://hemantoracledba.blogspot.com/2008/05/append-nologging-and-indexes .html and //www.freelists.org/post/oracle-l/Question-about-Append-hint-in-Ins ert,4 Hemant K Chitale http://hemantoracledba.blogspot.com -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l -- //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l