RE: Certifications don't count! (from a good test-taker)

However, if you go through the recruiters then 'certification' is the only 
criteria (due to lack of their knowledge)  to submit your resume with their 
client.
 
Same is true with some big consulting companies where they prefer to hire 
candidates with some sort of certification and put them on their client site to 
'impress' them.
 
No doubt it is quite bad practice and there is no replacement of experience.
 
Regards
Rafiq> Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:30:19 -0600> From: dannorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx> CC: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: 
Certifications don't count! (from a good test-taker)> > Nuno,> > I completely 
agree. In fact, I've never even had an OCM show up as a > candidate for hire 
even though the qualifications for some positions > have been in line with 
OCM-level knowledge. I do think, though, that > certification is sometimes used 
as a differentiator when there are two > candidates with similar experience and 
skill (at least on a resume), but > only one has certification. I don't 
necessarily think that's fair and it > may not result in the best candidate 
getting the interview, but when > filtering a stack of resumes down to a few 
that get interviews, you have > to apply some sort of criteria.> > Dan> > Nuno 
Souto wrote:> > Hmmm, given that there are around 200 there and it is> > 
worldwide, I'd say basing interview selection criteria> > on solely the 
producing of an OCM is a bit short-sighted...> > Who knows, there might 
actually be good dbas out there> > who don't give a fig about paying through 
their noses> > for a "certification"?> >> > Cheers> > Nuno Souto> > in 
(finally!) sunny Sydney, Australia> > dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >> > Dan Norris 
wrote,on my timestamp of 10/06/2008 1:44 AM:> >> For verification, you can just 
look online at > >> http://www.oracle.com/technology/ocm/> >>> >> If they 
aren't listed there, they may still be an OCM, but if they're > >> on the page, 
they're an OCM since Oracle Ed maintains that page. As > >> far as I know, OCM 
credentials have no expiration, though at some > >> point, they're probably 
outdated and not much help.> >>> >> Dan> >>> >> daniel koehne wrote:> >>> A 
couple of years ago I got very frustrated when dealing with Oracle> >>> 
Certifications. On both occasions I needed Oracle to verify that a> >>> 
certification was valid (i.e. the person claiming to have a> >>> certification 
actually had one) but Oracle went out of their way to> >>> make verification 
difficult. When I needed to verify my certification> >>> to a perspective 
employer I got some mail stating that verifying> >>> certifications may take up 
to 2 weeks and the verification ended up> >>> taking a 8 business days. The 
other time I wanted to verify someone's> >>> claimed OCM and Oracle said that 
we needed permission from the person> >>> we were interviewing to start the 
verification process and that> >>> verification would take up to 2 weeks--I was 
suspicious about the> >>> initial OCM claim so this person was filed in the 
circular filing> >>> cabinet because of all the hassle.> >>>> >>> I have also 
had trouble proving to Oracle certification folks that I> >>> have taken the 
required OCP Oracle class.> >>>> >>> With Microsoft, I believe that the person 
with the certification can> >>> give you a number and you go to a Microsoft web 
site and are able to> >>> verify any certification claims very quickly.> > -- > 
> http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l> >> >> >> --> 
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l> > 
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