Yep....me too....and I still have zero formal training on the app server. The one DBA who did get trained left...;-) -- Mark J. Bobak Senior Oracle Architect ProQuest Information & Learning For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled. --Richard P. Feynman, 1918-1988 ________________________________ From: David Sharples [mailto:davidsharples@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:19 AM To: Bobak, Mark Cc: hkchital@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; MFontana@xxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Application Server well exactly, thats what happened to me. Shouldnt be the case though On 23/05/06, Bobak, Mark <Mark.Bobak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: You make a valid point, David. However, that is what seems to happen in most shops...."Oh, you're the Oracle guy, here, go figure this out!"