RE: Anyone with experience with MMOG and databases?
- To: <lex.de.haan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:59:34 -0400
Lex,
You hit the nail right on the head with your first paragraph. He is against
*something* but I'm not sure what exactly it is. I think it's mostly against
whatever was said in a previous post.
I'm done with him.
Tom
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Lex de Haan
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:48 PM
To: ldutra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR)
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Subject: RE: Anyone with experience with MMOG and databases?
with all due respect, it looks to me that you are debating just for the sport of
disagreeing.
that's a nice sport, by the way, and it keeps you sharp -- but this is just too
easy...
there are *no* ISO SQL compliant DBMSses at all. period. and maybe that's a good
thing -- the standard has it's own problems, and backward compatibility issues
caused by horrible mistakes made in earlier versions of the standard.
you mention SQL/PSM as an example of standards non-compliance, and when I say
that it is not part of the standard, you say that it is important. duh. to whom?
even many ISO standardization committee members (I know quite a few of them)
more or less agree that SQL/PSM is not important as a standard.
portability does *not* matter -- portability is a wet dream. if you think that
an application written in fully ANSI/ISO standard SQL is portable from SQL
Server to Oracle, or the other way around, you are sorely mistaken -- because
the applications will behave differently. Just think about the rather unique and
sophisticated non-locking read consistency model implemented by Oracle. Just
search Tom Kyte's website for some nice threads on this topic.
proprietary extensions being crap? give me a break, and don't generalize ...
please, let's forget about D -- until it is implemented. it is a promising
theoretical framework, and as such highly interesting -- but it will need
another revolution, just like Ted Codd started one around 1970, to make it
mainstream.
kind regards,
Lex.
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From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Leandro Guimaraes Faria C. Dutra
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 20:30
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Subject: RE: Anyone with experience with MMOG and databases?
oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx gravou em 2005-08-12 15:26:04:
> You are one schizo dude. Now you don't like the ISO SQL either?
> You were complaining that Oracle was not ISO compliant and now you are
> saying you don't like the ISO SQL?
I do think every SQL DBMS should be ISO compliant. I do think ISO SQL
isn't any good.
The thing is that there is a value in a standard by itself --
portability matters.
On the other hand, most proprietary extensions are just crap. So
standards help getting some minimum quality.
Finally, the thing I'd like to see instead of ISO SQL is not SQL at all,
but The Third Manifesto's D.
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