Re: 9i Parsing Optimization
- From: "Anjo Kolk" <anjo.kolk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "LS Cheng" <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:52:36 +0200
Only when the code has been written to use that call.
Anjo.
On 8/31/06, LS Cheng <exriscer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Alex
I think the improvemente might be cuased by the new OCIStmtPrepare2 call
(introduced in 9.2), this uses a client side sql statement cache to avoid
a server side parsing.
Regards
--
LSC
On 8/31/06, amonte <ax.mount@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am checking the ODBC version being used.
>
> It is Merant ODBC v4.1 and has not been changed. My doubt is if this
> ODBC driver depends internallly on OCI version. If that is the case then it
> probably was using OCI8 and now using OCI9 and may be we are talking about
> OCI9 optimization.
>
> All I have is a libodbc.sl which is supposed to be the Merant ODBC, how
> can I check if this has dependency on OCI?
>
> Thanks all
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> On 8/31/06, Anjo Kolk <anjo.kolk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Part of the OCI8 interface is the capability to execute SQL statements
> > without doing defines (for the select list). So you can do an execute and
> > then after that execute you know what the select list looks like (types,
> > sizes), for this an implicit DESCRIBE (which requires a parse) is done,
> > after that a normal regular parse is done. So that could explain the 2
> > parses in 8. May be that was optimized in oracle9. When you did the defines,
> > one can Fetch the data.
> >
> > If I remember correctly (talking to some folks from siebels many years
> > ago), they do use OCI (not sure if it was OCI8, but most likely)
> >
> > Anjo.
> >
> >
> > On 8/30/06, Jonathan Lewis <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know what technology Siebel Tools uses,
> > > but your earlier double call may have been a
> > > "feature" of the ODBC or JDBC or whatever
> > > driver was between Siebel and Oracle, rather
> > > than a bit of the application code.
> > >
> > > I believe there used to be a feature in the Perl
> > > driver, for example, that made it do a parse
> > > call without bind values, followed by an execute
> > > call with bind values - but if the bind types weren't
> > > all character, the execute call would require a
> > > second parse call. It's something like that that
> > > may have gone away on the upgrade.
> > >
> > > Don't ask me to quote specifics - it's a long time
> > > ago and in another version.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jonathan Lewis
> > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/community/oracle_ace/ace1.html#lewis
> > >
> > >
> > > The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ
> > > http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html
> > >
> > > Cost Based Oracle: Fundamentals
> > > http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/cbo_book/ind_book.html
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "amonte" < ax.mount@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: < jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:50 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 9i Parsing Optimization
> > >
> > >
> > > > Anjo and Brandon, I forgot to mention we use RULE BASED OPTIMIZER
> > > so
> > > > permutations shouldnt be a problem. This is not PL/SQL so it cant
> > > be some
> > > > pl/sql optimization. This is a Siebel Workflow Manager Process.
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan, it is Siebel Tools, I understand that from application
> > > codes you
> > > > can invoke two parse calls but what I dont understand is why the
> > > second call
> > > > is not "called" in 9i?
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > >
> > > --
> > > http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anjo Kolk
> > Owner and Founder OraPerf Projects
> > tel: +31-577-712000
> > mob: +31-6-55340888
> >
>
>
--
Anjo Kolk
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Hi Alex
I think the improvemente might be cuased by the new OCIStmtPrepare2 call (introduced in 9.2), this uses a client side sql statement cache to avoid a server side parsing.
Regards
-- LSC
On 8/31/06, amonte <ax.mount@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Hi > > I am checking the ODBC version being used. > > It is Merant ODBC v4.1 and has not been changed. My doubt is if this > ODBC driver depends internallly on OCI version. If that is the case then it > probably was using OCI8 and now using OCI9 and may be we are talking about > OCI9 optimization. > > All I have is a libodbc.sl which is supposed to be the Merant ODBC, how > can I check if this has dependency on OCI? > > Thanks all > > Alex > > > > On 8/31/06, Anjo Kolk <anjo.kolk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Part of the OCI8 interface is the capability to execute SQL statements > > without doing defines (for the select list). So you can do an execute and > > then after that execute you know what the select list looks like (types, > > sizes), for this an implicit DESCRIBE (which requires a parse) is done, > > after that a normal regular parse is done. So that could explain the 2 > > parses in 8. May be that was optimized in oracle9. When you did the defines, > > one can Fetch the data. > > > > If I remember correctly (talking to some folks from siebels many years > > ago), they do use OCI (not sure if it was OCI8, but most likely) > > > > Anjo. > > > > > > On 8/30/06, Jonathan Lewis <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't know what technology Siebel Tools uses, > > > but your earlier double call may have been a > > > "feature" of the ODBC or JDBC or whatever > > > driver was between Siebel and Oracle, rather > > > than a bit of the application code. > > > > > > I believe there used to be a feature in the Perl > > > driver, for example, that made it do a parse > > > call without bind values, followed by an execute > > > call with bind values - but if the bind types weren't > > > all character, the execute call would require a > > > second parse call. It's something like that that > > > may have gone away on the upgrade. > > > > > > Don't ask me to quote specifics - it's a long time > > > ago and in another version. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Jonathan Lewis > > > http://www.oracle.com/technology/community/oracle_ace/ace1.html#lewis > > > > > > > > > The Co-operative Oracle Users' FAQ > > > http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html > > > > > > Cost Based Oracle: Fundamentals > > > http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/cbo_book/ind_book.html > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "amonte" < ax.mount@xxxxxxxxx> > > > To: < jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Cc: <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 9:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: 9i Parsing Optimization > > > > > > > > > > Anjo and Brandon, I forgot to mention we use RULE BASED OPTIMIZER > > > so > > > > permutations shouldnt be a problem. This is not PL/SQL so it cant > > > be some > > > > pl/sql optimization. This is a Siebel Workflow Manager Process. > > > > > > > > Jonathan, it is Siebel Tools, I understand that from application > > > codes you > > > > can invoke two parse calls but what I dont understand is why the > > > second call > > > > is not "called" in 9i? > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > > > Alex > > > > > > -- > > > http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Anjo Kolk > > Owner and Founder OraPerf Projects > > tel: +31-577-712000 > > mob: +31-6-55340888 > > > >
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