Right on the money Kevin. Oracle is becoming more and more of a dictator and thinks of itself as a one-stop-shop, which just can not be true and is not. It is my understanding that they gave VERITAS a tough time when they were certifying SFRAC with 10GR2 for both 4.x and 5.x. ________________________________ From: oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kevin Closson Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 1:38 PM To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: 10g RAC with Veritas SF >>Please be noted, when there is a problem with Installation/Node evictions you may not be able to raise an SR with Oracle or file a bug unless you can reproduce the same behaviour with the absence of SFRAC. This "reproduce without vendor clusterware" is the biggest red herring out there. If you are using software not listed in the RAC TEchnology Certification Matrix for the platform you are on. If you are suing something listed here: http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/clustering/certify/te ch_solaris_unix.html this monkey business about reproducing without vendor clusterware is just pure scare tactics to get you to use platforms other than what you have chosen. If Microsoft used such tactics there would be a law suit.