[opendtv] Re: re-encoding

If I'm not mistaken, BBC owns the rights on the MOLE - may be it
shares them with S&W?
And, if it was BBC Technology, now Siemens owns them :)=20
(some colleagues of mine, at INESC Porto, Portugal, worked on that).

The MOLE requires that the encoding decisions are registered somewhere
in the stream.

But at IBC last year, I saw someone else doing it "blindly", in the
context of re-encoding for satellite reception and distribution.  I
mean, the system was looking into the unencoded video (presumed to
result from an MPEG-2 stream as well) and telling its own encoder to
align the GOP to make the I-frames coincide. They detected an
unencoded I-frame by image processing (don't know how they did it..
but if we try ourselves, we can; a computer can be made to do it more
or less too).=20

In this way, a big part of the degradation that happens when you use a
B or P frame to compress something that resulted from an I frame,
disappears or at least is alleviated. (and in principle, block
searching for P/B frames will also give better results).
 This is done without any extra information, but obviously not as good
quality as with the MOLE.

Silvio

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> [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Holmes
> Sent: 13 May 2005 23:55
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> Subject: [opendtv] Re: re-encoding
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> Thanks Mark for remembering,=20
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> S&W call the process MOLE. SMPTE calls it 329M MPEG 2=20
> Recoding Data Set.
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> Best, MH.
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> On Behalf Of Mark Schubin
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 6:32 PM
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> Subject: [opendtv] Re: re-encoding
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> Yes.  There was a major project.  I think Snell & Wilcox was=20
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> of one version; I think Sony had a different version.
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> TTFN,
> Mark
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> Doug McDonald wrote:
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> >Has anybody designed, or tried to design, an MPEG
> >encoder that, knowing that it is receiving a signal
> >(be it digital or analog) that was previously MPEG
> >encoded (at the format sent to it), tries to replicate
> >the exact previous encoding, so that succeeding generations
> >will remain lossless (compared to the first encoded generation)?
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> >This would be a great boon to the consumer .... if it
> >will run on say a Pentium 4 or Pentium 5. Especially
> >thanks to a certain district court.
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> >Doug McDonald
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