[opendtv] Re: Will Digital Passthru Effect Digital Tier Subscription?
- From: Craig Birkmaier <craig@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:34:49 -0400
At 2:15 PM -0700 7/29/07, johnwillkie wrote:
So, somehow the Communications Act amendments of 1996 will be overturned?
If it's not just your imagination at work, this would be big news. I
haven't heard even a hint of that, but I guess your ear must be closer to
the ground. Question: what planet and which dimension? Somehow, it doesn't
sound much like the one most of us occupy.
Who is living on another planet? Ooooops, I guess Mexico is nearly
the same thing.
What has the 1996 act got to do with this discussion?
No, Tom you will pay for the variety and deph of program services delivered
by cable. Call it paying for variety and delivery. Some of those channesl
will be broadcast channels, but what the cable company "pays" for those will
amount to a rounding error on the cost the cable companies pay for ESPN.
And you will pay for broadcast stations, as the cable companies (and
DBS systems) will pass through the fees that they are now starting to
pay to stations. I agree that no station is going to receive >$2.70
per month, which is the estimated average that subs pay for ESPN. But
the fees that stations are getting in their new retrans consent
agreements are HARDLY noise level or rounding errors. The average
seems to be above $0.50 per subscriber per month or about $6 per
year. Although the numbers are not published, there have been reports
of some stations getting $0.70 per sub per month.
The reason I said that YOU VILL PAY for broadcast stations s that
there is no way to opt out of these channels. The are required even
for the most basic lifeline tier, the price for which is now going to
increase as the cable companies start to make those monthly payments
to the stations.
On the other hand, broadcast only viewers only pay with their attention. Bt
then, cable viewers pay with that TOO.
Everyone pays for the content delivered by broadcasters. The cost of
all those ads is included in the price of every advertised product we
buy. This is much akin to the fact that corporations do not pay taxes
- they just collect them for the government as part of the price of
the stuff they sell.
The difference is that subscribers to multichannel services now pay twice.
If cable did what you suggest -- most of what you suggest for them -- it
would be suicide. Not unlike the outcome if broadcasters follow what you
sugest for the.
Suicide?
I - and every multichannel subscriber - SHOULD have the choice of
which channels I choose to pay for. The cable guys don't want to sell
their channels ala carte, but they are more than happy for me to pay
to watch content on demand, including broadcast content. Even as they
play these games, they are enabling competition via the sale of
broadband.
Consumer choice is going to happen anyway, whether it is supported
via legal services or consumers just work around all of their content
management attempts. The real competition will happen when I can
choose to spend my $75 per month to download content that is not
filled with commercials, and the niche channels fully exploit their
Internet portals with relevant video clips and programming.
The only thing that is holding all of this together today - i.e. all
telecommunications including wireless telephony, cable, DBS, IPTV and
Broadcast - is the protection of government regulations, that are
propping up their oligopolies.
Cable is well positioned to survive no matter what happens in terms
of regulation versus open markets. DBS is in a less favorable
position, however they can migrate to a "push" download model
supplemented with live national programming ( primarily sports). And
broadcasters, and I'm talking about the TV guys now, not radio, can
adapt as well, covering their markets with a cloud of relevant bits
for fixed, mobile and portable receivers.
We are looking at a classic house of cards, that is ready to topple...
Regards
Craig
Me, I think that cable and tv should exist. And, after throwing daily ink
on flattened and bleached dead trees turns into a few national newspapers,
to NOT have broadcast TV and cable would throw us back to he days before the
Reformation. "The Dark Ages."
John Willkie
-----Mensaje original-----
De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En
nombre de Craig Birkmaier
Enviado el: Sunday, July 29, 2007 5:12 AM
Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Will Digital Passthru Effect Digital Tier
Subscription?
At 8:32 PM -0400 7/27/07, Tom Barry wrote:
How do you mean the digital tier? Usually that costs extra money
and may include a lot of encrypted channels. OTOH the broadcast
stations could also be sent digitally but unencrypted so at least
digital QAM ready TV's and equipment could get them without either
extra fees or cable cards. (once you get the TV)
Sorry Tom, but those days are over.
YOU Vill PAY for broadcast stations, just like you pay for everything else!
It might be interesting if the cable industry said it would pull the
plug on the analog broadcast channels unless the broadcasters rescind
their Retrans Consent demands. Then they could justify only paying
for the subscribers who pay for the digital tier with the networks...
Regards
Craig
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So, somehow the Communications Act amendments of 1996 will be overturned? If it's not just your imagination at work, this would be big news. I haven't heard even a hint of that, but I guess your ear must be closer to the ground. Question: what planet and which dimension? Somehow, it doesn't sound much like the one most of us occupy.
No, Tom you will pay for the variety and deph of program services delivered by cable. Call it paying for variety and delivery. Some of those channesl will be broadcast channels, but what the cable company "pays" for those will amount to a rounding error on the cost the cable companies pay for ESPN.
On the other hand, broadcast only viewers only pay with their attention. Bt then, cable viewers pay with that TOO.
If cable did what you suggest -- most of what you suggest for them -- it would be suicide. Not unlike the outcome if broadcasters follow what you sugest for the.
Me, I think that cable and tv should exist. And, after throwing daily ink on flattened and bleached dead trees turns into a few national newspapers, to NOT have broadcast TV and cable would throw us back to he days before the Reformation. "The Dark Ages." John Willkie -----Mensaje original----- De: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Craig Birkmaier Enviado el: Sunday, July 29, 2007 5:12 AM Para: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Asunto: [opendtv] Re: Will Digital Passthru Effect Digital Tier Subscription? At 8:32 PM -0400 7/27/07, Tom Barry wrote:
How do you mean the digital tier? Usually that costs extra money and may include a lot of encrypted channels. OTOH the broadcast stations could also be sent digitally but unencrypted so at least digital QAM ready TV's and equipment could get them without either extra fees or cable cards. (once you get the TV)
Sorry Tom, but those days are over. YOU Vill PAY for broadcast stations, just like you pay for everything else! It might be interesting if the cable industry said it would pull the plug on the analog broadcast channels unless the broadcasters rescind their Retrans Consent demands. Then they could justify only paying for the subscribers who pay for the digital tier with the networks... Regards Craig ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways:- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org
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