You make statements about things brought up that I did not bring up. As for the rest, I refer you to Stephen Birkill's excellent post this morning. TTFN, Mark Manfredi, Albert E wrote: >Mark Schubin wrote: > > > >>You have said that often, and there are certainly antenna >>installers around, but the first two DTT installations I >>saw in the UK used set-top antennas, and our closest >>friends in London currently watch analog TV with a set-top >>antenna. Our cousins in Edinburgh watch DTT with a >>set-top antenna, and every TV store I've visited in the UK >>has prominently shown indoor antennas. The Silver Sensor >>comes from the UK; why would it exist if people there >>wouldn't use it? >> >> > >Just trying to keep what one might laughably refer to as >"scientific objectivity" in these discussions, Mark. The >obvious questions on your Edinburgh experience would be, >how far from the transmitters? What COFDM modes? > >If you recall, on this very list, one Jay Cordoba asked what >his brother should do to receive OTA HDTV. My suggestion was >to go to www.antennaweb.com, but try first an indoor >antenna. > >With the indoor antenna, and 2nd gen Motorola receiver, he >received 22 stations, the furthest of which was some 50+ >miles distant. Others have reported similar experiences on >this list. > >Also, indoor antennas are for sale in many stores in the >US as well, it's the stand-alone ATSC STBs that are not >(although Circuit City seems to carry a decent assortment). > >Should we conclude from these anecdotes that there's no >problem with ATSC either? > >It would be nice to have one known difficult reception >location for COFDM, the counterpart to your apartment, >where failure and success stories could be extrapolated >into failure and success of the whole DTT infrastructure, >and all other anecdotes could then be dismissed. > >By the way, Circuit City also had prominently on display >a Silver Sensor-like antenna, with "HDTV only" sign next >to it, among several other types. > >I'd like to know why the new generation receivers are not >appearing on shelves this holiday season, when by all >rights they should have. Bringing up COFDM as the reason >is completely illogical. > >Bert > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > >- Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >FreeLists.org > >- By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >unsubscribe in the subject line. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.