John Shutt wrote: > Who is going to take the bitrate hit that E-VSB demands? > (lose 2 bits for every 1 robust bit transmitted.) John, do you know how E-VSB as currently defined compares with DVB-H? I don't. I'd have to dig into this to figure it out. Here's the E-VSB side. Maybe you can enlighten us on the equivalent DVB-T/DVB-H tradeoff? I'm just picking two values of robust stream, and the wide stream is supposed to be as robust as it is when the entire band is wide stream. For 542 Kb/s robust stream using 1/2 additional FEC, wide stream (2/3 FEC) is 18.1 Mb/s For 542 Kb/s robust stream using 1/4 additional FEC, wide stream (2/3 FEC) is 16.9 Mb/s For 1.08 Mb/s robust stream using 1/2 additional FEC, wide stream (2/3 FEC) is 16.9 Mb/s For 1.03 Mb/s robust stream using 1/4 additional FEC, wide stream (2/3 FEC) is 14.7 Mb/s ISDB can assign 1/13th of the COFDM carriers to the robust stream. So if you start with a 19.7 Mb/s wide channel, and want to keep its robustness unchanged, you should be left with 18.1 Mb/s in the wide stream. The robust stream's carriers now carry 1.5 Mb/s if it remains at 3/4 FEC and 64-QAM, which would be paired down to whatever robustness level you want. For example, to compare apples with apples, retain 64-QAM but increase the FEC by an additional 1/2 will result in 758 Kb/s in the robust stream. But the robust stream will lose some more due to the RS block that needs to be created, so I'm not sure there's a huge difference here, in terms of bit rates anyway. Not that I'm suggesting this should be done. Just comparing bit rates for fun. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.