Patience, grasshopper. For better or worse the actual results of the choice of the various 8vsb formats should be available this year. Unless they delay it again. - Tom Bob Miller wrote: > Sounds like New York City. Most people here will not get decent DTV > with 8-VSB unlike with DVB-T, DVB-T2 or any of the COFDM based > modulations. Still can watch my video, an hour of very good reception > mobile in the canyons of Manhattan and N, Jersey with only omni > antennas and a 100 Watt transmitter, 1kW erp, from 425 ft on the AT&T > building at Canal St. And that is with 2003 tech. What if we were to > allow DVB-T2 today? > > Seems most people talking of decent DTV reception from New York City > live in PA or farther out in NJ or Long Island. > > And a lot of people who now claim decent reception will find over time > that decent is not good enough when they get even the occasional drop > out. I guess they will have to buy a new receiver for M/H and watch > the mobile version in some kind of SD. > > Nice that this is so compatible. Why was it again that allowing both > COFDM and 8-VSB was so bad? And just how different would doing that be > from 8-VSB and M/H? Have to buy a new receiver??? Sounds like the rant > against allowing COFDM. I still see M/H as a new modulation since it > is not receivable by legacy receivers or decodable anyway and steals > bandwidth from the main channel that promised pristine HDTV. I see M/H > as not compatible with the spirit of the DTV transition as promulgated > back in the day. > > Of course we all know that that promulgation was all about killing > COFDM and nothing about any spirit of anything. > > All that energy just to kill off the good modulation. The last ten > years have been so incredibly negative that everything looks up from > here. I would love to get a bunch of broadcasters in a room and have > them extol at length on just how good 8-VSB has been for their > industry and how having 75% of homes with OTA receivers in them, like > the UK today, would be bad for US broadcasters today. > > Add maybe 75% of cars also by now if we had opted for 8K DVB-T back in the > day. > > Bob Miller > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Kilroy Hughes > <Kilroy.Hughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> I have line of sight to those 3 towers you mention (on Queen Anne Hill) 1 to >> 2 miles away across open water (Lake Union). The Space Needle is about 15 >> degrees left of the towers and 2 miles away. I started with omni then >> reflector antennas because towers are spread in a 50 degree arc, but a >> silver sensor pointed away from the towers with gain set high gives the best >> results. >> >> I have to point another 15 degrees left of the Space Needle to get stable >> reception, so maybe I'm getting the bounce off the Space Needle while >> rejecting the first arrival of the 3 nearest towers. Or maybe one of the >> big bridges, or the tall buildings downtown are producing the echo of those >> three towers while allowing direct path from some more distant towers that >> I'm receiving. When I do a circular sweep, I can find dozens of strong >> echoes that give me a few stations at a time, but only one angle where there >> are no towers located that gives me the most. I get 7 stations (plus a few >> subchannels), including one station I can't get on analog but minus one I >> used to watch the most on analog. My remaining problem is that the echo >> pattern seems to shift with the weather and a couple stations drop out to >> the point they sometimes aren't watchable. >> >> Luckily, "The Daily Show" and "Arrested Development" are available 24x7 on >> my phone line to the Internet. >> >> Kilroy Hughes >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On >> Behalf Of Manfredi, Albert E >> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:07 PM >> To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: [opendtv] Re: Sony Vaio home theater PC >> >> Kilroy Hughes wrote: >> >>> My biggest problem was getting a reliable ATSC signal because >>> I'm near city center on a flat lake with line of sight to the >>> transmitters (:-) go figure. I went through several tuners and >>> antennas until I found a combination that could handle the >>> multipath for most of the stations with a single antenna position >>> and gain ("5th gen" tuner cards beat out the built in DTV tuners >>> I tried). I still record dropouts and blocking every couple >>> minutes when the rain gets bad ... about 160 days a year in >>> Seattle. I never watch live broadcast, so I'm not around to beat >>> and swear at the antenna when it's happening and just have to >>> delete shows when they are too messed up. >> On a recent trip to Seattle, I finally went up the Space Needle. The >> guide and elevator operator said it is 520' tall. So my first reaction >> was, "Big deal. I bet I can see TV towers looming over it." >> >> And sure enough, after we got to the top, I scanned the horizon and >> found three TV towers on a ridge, I think to the North of the Space >> Needle, and considerably taller than it is. It seemed like DTV reception >> in Seattle SHOULD be a piece of cake. How strange. Maybe they should use >> Mount Rainier instead? I'd love to know exactly what makes reception >> difficult when it should be easy. Is it one of those super long and >> strong echoes, like they measured in the Bay Area? >> >> Bert >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >> FreeLists.org >> >> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >> unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: >> >> - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at >> FreeLists.org >> >> - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word >> unsubscribe in the subject line. >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: > > - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at > FreeLists.org > > - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word > unsubscribe in the subject line. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.