[opendtv] Re: Seeing Ghosts on a Single Frequency Network

  • From: Ron Economos <w6rz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 05:42:36 -0800

The Bendov paper was not why I posted that link. Mark Aitken
had already posted a link to that. I was much more interested
in Attachment 1, which is a completely "thinking outside the box"
proposal for next generation digital television.

Ron

On 2/6/2011 9:54 PM, Allen Le Roy Limberg wrote:

The Bendov paper supports my understanding that single-frequency networks (SFNs) are not well adapted for use with 8-VSB or other single-carrier transmissions. Oded views the problem primarily from the standpoint of providing satisfactory transmission of electromagnetic field variations to certain reception sites. Experienced receiver designers view the problem posed by SFNs as primarily one of satisfactory reception being impaired by having to combine signals received from two transmitters before the signals can be processed to insure that they should combine constructively. Some experienced receiver designers have been skeptical since SFNs were first proposed for 8-VSB that practical receivers for it could be designed. This doubt was felt especially if the receivers were to be hand-held, so simple reception antennas had to be used.

Frequency-diversity transmissions from multiple single-carrier transmitters are superior to simultaneous SFN transmissions. This is because the respective signals from transmitters transmitting in different RF channels need not be combined until each of the signals is de-rotated during its individual down conversion to baseband. The de-rotated baseband signals should always constructively combine. Simultaneous SFN transmissions are usually combined before down conversion, which combination may be constructive, somewhat constructive or destructive in nature.

If multiple-carrier-signal transmissions are used in an SFN, the situation can be better since usually some components of the plural transmissions will combine constructively before down conversion. The chance of the two multiple-carrier signals constructively combining is generally improved if the two signals experience different multipath conditions and if those different multipath conditions are dynamic in nature. If there is redundant coding of the modulation of the multiple-carrier-signal transmissions, the loss of the components that combine destructively before down conversion can be overcome. This is why SFNs are possible using COFDM.

The Sinclair submission cites the Bendov paper for the proposition that 8-VSB transmissions do not work well with SFNs, which is quite true for all single-carrier-signal transmissions. This fact is used to support the premise that COFDM multiple-carrier-signal transmissions are superior to single-carrier-signal transmissions because they work in SFNs, as proven by experience in Europe. This provides a subtle indictment against frequency-diversity transmissions, which are supported by transmitter networks using current transmitters, as opposed to SFN transmissions, which would be supported by transmitter networks using new or reconstructed transmitters.

What the Sinclair submission ignored is that multiple-carrier-signal transmissions, as well as single-carrier-signal transmissions, can be better received from transmitters that broadcast over different RF channels, rather than the same RF channel. This is because the simultaneous multiple-carrier-signal transmissions can be processed independently by a receiver until baseband responses to those transmissions can be combined with that combination assuredly being constructive in nature. Then coding of the multiple-carrier-signal transmissions does not have to overcome the cancellations of anti-phase components caused by simultaneous multiple-carrier-signal transmissions being combined willy-nilly before down-conversion from RF to baseband.

What the Sinclair submission could have made clear to the FCC is that investing in SFNs for broadcast DTV is not a particularly good idea, even if the transmitters in the SFN make simultaneous multiple-carrier-signal transmissions. Frequency-diverse simultaneous multiple-carrier-signal transmissions are more practical than simultaneous multiple-carrier-signal transmissions over SFNs, insofar as receivers capable of top-notch reception are concerned. The time and money investments in transmitters for frequency-diverse transmissions have been substantially sunk already.

When the SFN red herring is discounted, the controversy between single-carrier-signal transmissions and multiple-carrier-signal transmissions reverts to pretty much what it was before considering the networking of transmitters for them.

Al

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Ron Economos <mailto:w6rz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
    *To:* opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:47 PM
    *Subject:* [opendtv] Re: Seeing Ghosts on a Single Frequency Network

    http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7021027035

    Ron

    On 1/23/2011 4:30 AM, Mark Aitken wrote:

    I can assure you that I share in your understanding and intend to
    change the nature of the debate.


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